tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post1012620526042867017..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Let's Read Fifty Shades of Grey: Chapter 4!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-4826924486770138672014-05-27T02:33:10.324-04:002014-05-27T02:33:10.324-04:00"this one time I opened my friend's deep ..."this one time I opened my friend's deep freezer and it was full of dead iguanas."<br /><br />Where did your friend get all the iguanas??? Monicahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13314224572310283925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-37518834575102970772013-12-08T14:35:23.524-05:002013-12-08T14:35:23.524-05:00Godric's E.L. James quotes above remind me of ...Godric's E.L. James quotes above remind me of no one so much as Yoshio Sakamoto. Cliff has mentioned that he enjoys the odd game, so I thought that this would be apropos: picture that E.L. James, rather than being a woman writing about her ideas of the idealized romance between a man and a woman, is instead a man making a video game about his ideas of the idealized father-figure/protege relationship between a man and a woman. You now understand Metroid: Other M. The closest thing I can think of to fisking a video game is this thread:<br />http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3464151Jakenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-56340431895351483602013-11-10T11:54:51.830-05:002013-11-10T11:54:51.830-05:00It seems to me that openly reading porn in the wor...It seems to me that openly reading porn in the workplace creates a "hostile environment" and could be considered sexual harassment. I'm sorry she put you through that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-80814725627896050222013-10-20T16:24:39.771-04:002013-10-20T16:24:39.771-04:00Oh god oh god oh god. I have dug too greedily, an...<em>Oh god oh god oh god. I have dug too greedily, and too deep. Who knows what I awoke in the darkness of this book. Shadow and flame. For fuck's sake, we're only on chapter 4.</em><br /><br />I WARNED YOU. Seriously, I had to stop at Chapter 15 because even with the addition of mind-controlling Neptunians and bears, I couldn't make it funny.LBThttp://healthymultiplicity.com/loonybrainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-56273977561328374992013-10-18T19:50:45.180-04:002013-10-18T19:50:45.180-04:00It's a pity Alan Rickman isn't young enoug...It's a pity Alan Rickman isn't young enough for Christian Grey. He could really make evil hot. Course, Christian's assholery isn't actually supposed to be evil, but oh well. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-66532172972796253922013-10-16T21:58:54.881-04:002013-10-16T21:58:54.881-04:00I like your name substitutions for whatsisname, bu...I like your name substitutions for whatsisname, but I think of this whenever I read it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-5357613030639188532013-10-16T16:43:41.173-04:002013-10-16T16:43:41.173-04:00I read that Charlie Hunnam was supposed to be Cree...I read that Charlie Hunnam was supposed to be Creepy GlareFace in the movie adaptation. Then soon after, I read that he dropped out. I wonder if he actually read the book after accepting the role and just yelled "NOPE!"<br /><br />I like to think that playing a sexist, controlling, ultra-violent, racist motorcycle thug was fine, but this role was too disturbing for him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-11760464830832614842013-10-16T07:00:21.419-04:002013-10-16T07:00:21.419-04:00As a person who read book this laughing the whole ...As a person who read book this laughing the whole way through (wait for the sex scene descriptions!) this is quite a sobering analysis.<br /><br />Thanks for the insightful updates as always Cliff :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20306697372652623002013-10-14T10:34:10.350-04:002013-10-14T10:34:10.350-04:00If this weren't such a massively popular book,...If this weren't such a massively popular book, I'd just kind of be like you know, whatever. Maybe some people have a fantasy of being stalked by a creepy, domineering stalker and they can live that through reading this, in a safe way without the real danger of a real creepy stalker.<br /><br />But then it is massively popular, and I know people have bought this book for their *teenagers*, and so many people have read it that way too many might start to think this is cool, or normal, or that since it's so popular maybe they *should* be into this kind of BS.<br /><br />Blegh.Lainhttp://lanarz.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-68574448132659924382013-10-12T23:58:54.860-04:002013-10-12T23:58:54.860-04:00Yeah, cara means precious, dear or valuable in Ita...Yeah, cara means precious, dear or valuable in Italian (if I remember correctly), and carina is a common diminutive of that, which is used as a term of endearment for girls and women. Sorry to be OT, but I love picking apart small instances of EL James being terrible. It distracts me from the larger horror. Bethhttp://mentalillnessnonmonogamy.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-1878241565660794952013-10-12T19:14:36.799-04:002013-10-12T19:14:36.799-04:00Looks like you've got a couple of spammers her...Looks like you've got a couple of spammers here, Cliff. Too bad Blogger doesn't seem to have any "flag comment as spam" button.ShifterCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15809259695603464596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-9013072550705975132013-10-12T16:11:28.762-04:002013-10-12T16:11:28.762-04:00Well, that's exactly what rape culture *is*, i...Well, that's exactly what rape culture *is*, isn't it? The degree to which people can get away with sexual assault without any harm (consequences) from their peer group, their workplace, the criminal justice system, etc. hummingbearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-15888616234643419172013-10-12T13:16:46.999-04:002013-10-12T13:16:46.999-04:00was at imperial the other week, and there weren...was at imperial the other week, and there weren't many guys there. There was one guy there who looked like a gymnast or dancer from one of the shows on the strip - totally ripped, really hot body. He spent most of the time in the cold plunge, soaking a sore muscle? He didn't mess around, but I got hard watching him soak naked on the edge of the pool.<br /><a href="http://spankthedonkey.co.uk/categories" rel="nofollow"> dirty panties sex lines </a><br />spankthehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10451042108863212867noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-11267242914498922482013-10-10T13:48:53.324-04:002013-10-10T13:48:53.324-04:00Although this one was not as enjoyable as the prev...Although this one was not as enjoyable as the previous three chapters, I will fully acknowledge that it is the book and not you. Here's to hoping that as it progresses it will give you more ins for good riffing, even if the content doesn't become less disturbing...Orochihttp://sexykeywords.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-77089028379041899802013-10-10T01:26:12.244-04:002013-10-10T01:26:12.244-04:00This post has sparked a 20-minute chat-conversatio...This post has sparked a 20-minute chat-conversation with my friends after I quoted a few of your comments. None of us can understand wtf is going on with this book. It's not just "erotica", it's constantly being touted as THE best current book about bdsm, and that pisses me the freak off because ABUSE DOES NOT EQUAL BDSM. Every single person who reads this book has a possibility of being abused *because* of the way this book is written. And that's just freaking creepy.HeatherMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13318036170368867430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-69994719116001243762013-10-09T10:18:35.420-04:002013-10-09T10:18:35.420-04:00You mean, it will only encourage rape culture/jump...You mean, it will only encourage rape culture/jumping off tall buildings to the extent that the people considering it believe they can act on their fantasies without harm to themselves? That's reassuring.Day Harperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07058023077641477579noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-52736748412920058412013-10-09T09:58:50.283-04:002013-10-09T09:58:50.283-04:00I think I've figured out what this book is goo...I think I've figured out what this book is good for. Next time I play Vampire: The Masquerade and want some hints for roleplaying a blood bound ghoul or victim of Presence, I'm going to refer to this book, because it seems to be a really good narrative description of thralldom.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06702801283687544311noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-49309569489825770872013-10-08T13:47:57.502-04:002013-10-08T13:47:57.502-04:00Yeah, lots of people has this really weird idea th...Yeah, lots of people has this really weird idea that there's a sharp distinct line between insane and sane people. Sane people have well-balanced neuro transmitters, while insane people have too little or too much of one or several transmitters. With the right kind of medication though, insane people can be made sane. Just add a bit of what they lack, or subtract a bit of what they've got too much of, and they're gonna go normal.<br /><br />There's so much wrong with this picture so I hardly know where to begin. The old Freudian view on mental illness was obviously not that accurate either, but this modern one is AT LEAST as stupid. <br /><br />(Note: I take anti-psychotic medication myself, and I'm absolutely not against medication. I'm not saying either that actual mental health professionals believe the above - but lots of laypeople think something like that.)Jeppssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016901164247140438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-33892935212736214352013-10-08T10:58:21.525-04:002013-10-08T10:58:21.525-04:00Jenny Trout? Jenny Trout? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-47372316561414072162013-10-07T18:49:24.307-04:002013-10-07T18:49:24.307-04:00Thank you for writing this, it is saving me so muc...Thank you for writing this, it is saving me so much headdesk. One of my co-workers was reading this ... selection of printed pages bound together with glue (book is giving it too much credit)... on a work trip and it was THE CREEPIEST F-ING THING EVER to be sat next to a normal-ish middle aged mother of 4 whilst she read this rubbish.<br /><br />The temptation to shake her and shout about how we're not like that and stalking etc isn't ok and consent is super important was very very strong but then I would have lost my job and y'know, that would have been awkward.Kittynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-53373212065787097292013-10-07T18:02:29.749-04:002013-10-07T18:02:29.749-04:00The "safe, sane, consensual" motto dates...The "safe, sane, consensual" motto dates to the 1990s and was not intended to be ableist. Sane does not refer to the participants but whether the play is psychologically damaging to one or more of them.<br /><br />"Sane" isn't some sort of hard line between mentally ill or not. Take PTSD. Some people react to trauma by getting PTSD. They then may experience symptoms that we take to mean insanity. But they were not "insane" before the trauma. Sane is a latin synonym for well or hale. As you know well, one can be well and hale one day and ill the next. Absolutist jargon denies the reality of trauma and its effects on human beings. In other words you are saying there are "crazy" and non-crazy people and if someone is traumatized by a bad scene they were ipso facto "crazy" before the scene even began. This is not even remotely true.<br /><br />The ubiquity of mood disorders, attention disorders ought to make it clear that the tendency to mental illness is latent within all of us and a person labeled sane today might, under sufficient pressure, break down. This seems to be something everyone understood culturally 100 years ago, but since the discovery of chemical therapies for schizophrenia we've undergone a conceptual shift regarding madness, as if it's only ever some sort of obscure genetic brain disorder that can be quarantined out of the population.<br /><br />All this ableist talk seems to do is to derail and deny the very real trauma, disassociation, confusion, and other symptoms experienced by those who have been abused, tortured, imprisoned, and raped. Is there a qualitative difference in the interior experience of someone diagnosed with borderline who devolves into a depressive, painful spiral over a minor domestic interaction and someone who goes through the same meltdown because they have PTSD and they were triggered?<br /><br />I have a real problem with cordoning off "insane" and "crazy" for use only by those who have gotten a stamped certificate of such.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-46616922024175921462013-10-07T17:46:03.386-04:002013-10-07T17:46:03.386-04:00Oh don't be daft, the man gets mind controlled...Oh don't be daft, the man gets mind controlled in the SLASH version of these fics. For example, there is a Star Trek fan fic (warning: it's pretty awful) called "Clan Leader" in which the alpha Vulcan induces uncontrollable arousal in his subjects and fucking ensues. Basically rapist-delusional style rationalization 101 if it were real life, but it's porn, so no.<br /><br />I don't read het much, partially for the reasons wandarox mentions. I've seen dominant female stuff, though, moon cycles and witchcraft and all that shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-50711150431461594742013-10-07T14:17:48.955-04:002013-10-07T14:17:48.955-04:00Get your point. Maybe it's not the fantasy its...Get your point. Maybe it's not the fantasy itself that is dangerous but how you deal with it, how you articulate it and how you mark it as fantasy. <br />Pretending like some funny people use to do with rape jokes "i know this won't be ok with some over sensitive women here, but let me tell you a real funny one" won't do. <br />Though I know that is not what you are talking about.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-56402445427454931902013-10-07T12:24:41.419-04:002013-10-07T12:24:41.419-04:00I'm sorry, I don't mean it to come off tha...I'm sorry, I don't mean it to come off that way.<br /><br />I mean more like... Ana wasn't written as asexual. She was written as <i>pure</i>. E.L. James didn't write this story as "asexual finds an exception"; she wrote it as "unspoiled girl, with no previous lovers or sexual desires to contaminate her."<br /><br />Like I said, it's not a standard I would hold real people to, because real people aren't written. Real people might lack sexual experience because they didn't want any or they didn't happen to have an opportunities. When an author goes out of her way to state that a character lacks sexual experience, she's trying to define something about that character--and in a better story, it might be "asexual" or "decided to wait" or "believed it was immoral" or many other things--but in this story, I'm pretty sure it's some purity bullshit.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-74855183753214796562013-10-07T11:51:05.208-04:002013-10-07T11:51:05.208-04:00... what about asexuals? Your wording sounds like...... what about asexuals? Your wording sounds like you're not complex or interesting if you haven't sexual-anythinged before.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com