tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post189181726972002279..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: The eternal contradiction.Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-84167352322449936062011-09-28T06:55:40.620-04:002011-09-28T06:55:40.620-04:00Yeah, I would say the first one is true. True invo...Yeah, I would say the first one is true. True involuntary celibacy is when your standards for attractiveness dropped to the zero point and still nobody wants to put their penis into your vagina. Even though you keep asking and asking. Men often have sex with really ugly women just because they are availible. Come on, I see how men here offer fat and ugly women sex and even money for it. I don't see female equivalents of these offering fat old men money for sex. No matter how ugly you are, someone will have sex with you, because many men are that desperate. You'd have to lower your standards though. You might not be attracted to men you will get, but you WILL get laid.<br /><br />The second statement is just something men with tons of options say, since they can afford to be that shallow, and they are not the only men in the world. So it's not really a contradiction.<br /><br />I hope you don't take my comment the wrong way, I just say things as I see them.Emmahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01840848846249018854noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-18254725896122633342011-04-30T13:11:32.952-04:002011-04-30T13:11:32.952-04:00I have initiated in every single relationship I ha...I have initiated in every single relationship I have been in except in the one that ended in attempted rape.<br /><br />Why?<br /><br />Because guys I'm attracted to <i>don't approach me</i>. Hell, for the most part, guys I'm not attracted to don't approach me either. At least I'm old enough that guys I'm not attracted to don't go to great lengths to mock me for my unfuckability.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-63824943942841974012011-04-26T12:45:10.276-04:002011-04-26T12:45:10.276-04:00I'd settle for women initiating physical conta...<i>I'd settle for women initiating physical contact when they feel attraction</i><br /><br />In my (limited) observation, Prickly is right that women don't often do this (some wmen do this, but if you're a straight man and your "strategy" consists solely of putting out signals and waiting for them to be picked up and acted on, I hope you brought a book).<br /><br />Where we differ is that I think this is a product of culture rather than nature, and I think it's a culture that denies and suppresses women's swexuality and sexual agency rather than one that empowers women over men, and I think women who wait to be approached do it because it's how they've been raised rather than as a means of auditioning or auctioning or "shit-testing."<br /><br />But again, that's in the real world, it may work diferently in LA and Tel Aviv and clubs.Hershele Ostropolernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51751716682659632622011-04-23T23:18:55.814-04:002011-04-23T23:18:55.814-04:00Hell, I date guys off of CL and that whole entitle...Hell, I date guys off of CL and that whole entitled attitude is the number one thing that sends me running. Why? Because if you are that fucking desperate I can't trust you to listen when I say no. So, therefore, I won't play, even begin to play. OTOH, I've responded to more than a few requests for FWB, because I really want a nice fuckbuddy or two, or a friend, but not a long-term relationship.<br /><br />And the number one thing that sends them away? I have white hair. AFAIK, most of them want sweet young things, who don't want them unless they need their bills paid, and so they bitch that nobody real answers their ads. Go figure.<br /><br />Why some sweet young thing should want a mid 50's guy with a possibly non-functional dick beats me.fuzzynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-71734726495147261452011-04-23T10:51:37.770-04:002011-04-23T10:51:37.770-04:00I'd settle for women initiating physical conta...<i>I'd settle for women initiating physical contact when they feel attraction, which requires men to make them safe. </i><br /><br />I <i>love</i> initiating. Lots of other women do, to. So either you're meeting the wrong women or you're not so good at making them feel safe. <br /><br />The entitled attitude would probably be the culprit. Lots of women won't so much as kiss a guy - even if they're really attracted to him - if they think he'll regard that kiss as some kind of sexual contract. <br /><br />-perversecowgirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-63199119740253930552011-04-22T23:41:27.598-04:002011-04-22T23:41:27.598-04:00Man, I go off on a trip with sketchy internet acce...Man, I go off on a trip with sketchy internet access and come back to find a Eurosabra-stomping in progress. (Hey, I'm a non-existent over 35 married woman.) Carry on!chinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-25072755434476667542011-04-22T23:33:15.712-04:002011-04-22T23:33:15.712-04:00If it's "women," plural, that's ...If it's "women," plural, that's already not super low partner count. I seriously know some virgins who are way less neurotic than you about this crap.<br /><br />Sex is nice, man! It's a fun thing two people do together! Or sometimes they don't do it, so they do other nice things like read books they like or go for walks when it's sunny! <i>GET THE FUCK OVER IT!</i>Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-59348328815707874092011-04-22T23:28:42.296-04:002011-04-22T23:28:42.296-04:00Although there is a bit of denial of reality in my...Although there is a bit of denial of reality in my belief that the women who slept with me did so because I was the only one offering. Maybe there's research on attitudes of super low partner count people somewhere?Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-24335578229346713582011-04-22T23:20:00.283-04:002011-04-22T23:20:00.283-04:00I'd settle for women initiating physical conta...I'd settle for women initiating physical contact when they feel attraction, which requires men to make them safe. I had shitty relationships, but I've never overstepped an explicit boundary or failed to clarify an implicit one--really, ask for clarification--and that's such a low bar even a sourpuss like me can meet it.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20261019163603695832011-04-22T23:09:42.544-04:002011-04-22T23:09:42.544-04:00Man, you're the only guy I know who can make &...Man, you're the only guy I know who can make "women only have sex with men they're attracted to" sound like a crime against humanity.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-15435084153893938902011-04-22T23:08:48.373-04:002011-04-22T23:08:48.373-04:00Doesn't work as a hypothetical, because that w...Doesn't work as a hypothetical, because that would never happen, women may have sex for sex's sake but only with men they are already attracted to. Unattractive men don't get objectified. Does explain why women don't want losers, which is gatekeeper speak.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-54435552249506699822011-04-22T22:51:19.010-04:002011-04-22T22:51:19.010-04:00Eurosabra - Okay. What do you want?
What, in you...Eurosabra - Okay. What do you <i>want</i>?<br /><br />What, in your perfect world, would women do differently?<br /><br />(Would men do anything differently?)Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-57513068527234755922011-04-22T22:46:15.376-04:002011-04-22T22:46:15.376-04:00I came for the waters. I was misinformed.
There ap...I came for the waters. I was misinformed.<br />There appears to be a zone of adequate non-relationship casual sex that women still turn down, if Yes Means Yes Blog is to be believed. The offering man's claims of safety and sexual competence may be true and yet not believed, because of the casual sex context.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-17150746227280292582011-04-22T14:32:57.538-04:002011-04-22T14:32:57.538-04:00Epilogue: I am 6' tall with a 28" waist, ...Epilogue: I am 6' tall with a 28" waist, ludicrously perky c-cup boobs, long legs, cute face. Many guys find me attractive, but many others don't, because people like different things. <br /><br />When you're a chick, going to a club looking like you tried to look pretty is (unfortunately) considered tantamount to wearing that "I'll fuck anyone" t-shirt, btw. I've been approached by plenty of guys who weren't especially interested in me but assumed I must be looking for sex (with anyone at all) because I was showing a bit of leg or cleavage. When I was younger and not as good at reading people, I went home with one of these guys on occasion - which is how I know that guys just "looking for a hole" aren't especially considerate in bed.<br /><br />So technically I can get laid anytime I want, I guess, but if I hold out for someone who I'm attracted to, who's attracted to me, who treats me courteously and listens when I talk, who won't hack me into pieces and shove me in his freezer after the sex...well, the number of feasible partners goes way, way down.<br /><br />-perversecowgirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-53355830269693824082011-04-22T14:25:22.700-04:002011-04-22T14:25:22.700-04:00Hell, just about every man can get laid too, if he...<i>Hell, just about every man can get laid too, if he's willing to go that far, to say "I'll do it with literally anybody under literally any conditions." But almost no one is, because that's transparently a miserable thing to do.</i><br /><br />Exactly. Yes, even an ugly woman (whatever that even means) <i>could</i> get laid anytime if she broadcasted her willingness and would accept absolutely any offer at all - but, surprise, being approached by some guy entirely because you're a hole to stick his dick into is not flattering or fulfilling.<br /><br />And as much as guys say "OMG I <i>wish</i> I could have that! I would <i>die</i> to be carnally desired and treated like a piece of meat!" Trust me, you wouldn't. Not in the way that my hypothetical ugly woman is "desired".<br /><br />Think it through carefully, guys. Imagine that you went to a club wearing your "I will fuck anyone" t-shirt and a woman approached you and when you tried to make polite small talk she cut you off with "Yeah, yeah, whatever. You have a dick, right? I'm sick to death of using a dildo on myself. I want someone warm and breathing on top of me for a change. What d'you say?" She's not attracted to you; she's zoning out whenever you talk so clearly she doesn't give a shit who you are or what you're like; she <i>only</i> approached you because she wanted to fuck someone and you made it known you were willing.<br /><br />And if you do go home with her, it's a pretty good bet she won't give a shit about your pleasure. She doesn't like you <i>or</i> find you attractive so why should she spend any time learning what you like in bed?<br /><br />Also, ask yourself: what kind of person sees someone (<i>especially</i> someone they find ugly) in an "I will fuck literally anyone" t-shirt and actually takes them up on it? (Hint: not supermodels.)<br /><br />So...yay for me being a woman! I can have shitty unsatisfying sex with losers ANY TIME I WANT!!!<br /><br />-perversecowgirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-63641206722371638202011-04-22T06:22:22.388-04:002011-04-22T06:22:22.388-04:00Eurosabra - Well, if you're not going to liste...Eurosabra - Well, if you're not going to listen to anything anyone says, I'm done wasting my typing.<br /><br />I'm not a "radical feminist" by any stretch, I'm more of a... a person who's been outdoors, in your case. The things I say seem self-evident to me because I see them in my friends and coworkers and neighbors pretty much anywhere I go. But then again, I <i>know</i> some friends and coworkers and neighbors.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-80086155558535862622011-04-22T03:47:59.570-04:002011-04-22T03:47:59.570-04:00Eurosabra--
"Truisms are eternal?" Seri...Eurosabra--<br /><br />"Truisms are eternal?" Seriously? Man, ANYONE'S horseshit describes reality for SOMEONE. Hell, I could say literal Bible interpretation describes reality for enough folks that it's inconvenient for science! That doesn't make literal Bible interpretation TRUE.<br /><br />Also, you give me no reason to BELIEVE your truisms. You just say it's true.<br /><br />You aren't here for the shooting, are you?<br /><br />--RoganLBThttp://baaingtree.deviantart.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-73666618774007215982011-04-22T01:29:31.798-04:002011-04-22T01:29:31.798-04:00Most PUAs would have said "fetishists", ...Most PUAs would have said "fetishists", not "fans", and I'm aware enough that anything at all can be advantageous or disadvantageous. But truisms are eternal. Just admit that PUA describes reality for enough men that it's inconvenient for radical feminism.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-63626890061142655272011-04-21T23:14:16.212-04:002011-04-21T23:14:16.212-04:00RE: Holly
I would suspect that that's WHY he ...RE: Holly<br /><br />I would suspect that that's WHY he makes the comments. He certainly can't expect to be changing anybody's minds, so unless he simply adores the wank he creates, I don't know what else would make him so devoted to coming here.<br /><br />RE: Eurosabra<br /><br />You are proof positive that privilege can be miserable. In some ways, I feel like I SHOULD be agreeing with you. When we were a girl, back in high school, we are the sort you describe, in that we had many requests to our attention, and we tended to say no. Now that I ID male, however... well, beauty transfers over the gender line a little awkwardly, and the offers are much fewer.<br /><br />Except here's the thing. I've never been so relieved.<br /><br />--RoganLBThttp://baaingtree.deviantart.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-8274390942456173392011-04-21T21:17:49.978-04:002011-04-21T21:17:49.978-04:00What the hell, Eurosabra. As a woman with just a ...What the hell, Eurosabra. As a woman with just a few "interpersonal disadvantages" (fat and socially weird, but young and highly sexual), I can tell you that <i>plenty</i> of guys have said no to me.<br /><br />Funny thing: it didn't always have to do with the "disadvantages." Some of those guys were into fat weird girls but just not me, or were into me but couldn't because they were monogamous (OMG) or didn't have sex without commitment (OMG OMG OMFG) or it just wasn't clicking between us.<br /><br />Sex is about a lot more than the supposedly simple math of attraction.<br /><br />And for the lovagod, Eurosabra, some women really can't get laid. Or they can get laid, but only in the very technical sense of "they can get a penis put in their vagina," but not by a man they're attracted to or who respects them or who will have any kind of relationship with them.<br /><br />Hell, just about every man can get laid too, if he's willing to go that far, to say "I'll do it with <i>literally anybody</i> under literally any conditions." But almost no one is, because that's transparently a miserable thing to do.<br /><br />So leaving aside the transparently stupid, getting laid in a way that's remotely desirable is difficult for both men and women, and both of them manage to make it happen somehow.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Do you realize that your posts (I'm assuming you have a filter set up for this) actually scare me off from posting about PUA sometimes? I know they're coming and I just cringe.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-67547621095096215142011-04-21T20:59:19.916-04:002011-04-21T20:59:19.916-04:00Yeah, here's the thing, Eurosabra - outside of...Yeah, here's the thing, Eurosabra - outside of your twisted little community, <i>none of those things is an "interpersonal disadvantage"</i>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-15945836601295820472011-04-21T20:53:09.397-04:002011-04-21T20:53:09.397-04:00Women with those interpersonal disadvantages are s...Women with those interpersonal disadvantages are still better off than their male equivalents. There are simply not enough female fans of disadvantaged men in comparison, for whatever reason.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-85850770359133115102011-04-21T10:12:34.346-04:002011-04-21T10:12:34.346-04:00The first is true, the second is a body-image anxi...<i>The first is true, the second is a body-image anxiety reinforcing lie. </i><br /><br />So these guys you know who would go out four times a week and "score" with chicks...they were fucking fat women? Hairy women? Women with crew cuts? Women with a snarky, sarcastic sense of humour? Women wearing sweatpants and paint-stained baggy t-shirts?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-1253799187536699902011-04-21T03:46:02.016-04:002011-04-21T03:46:02.016-04:00The first is true, the second is a body-image anxi...The first is true, the second is a body-image anxiety reinforcing lie. The first is false and the second true from the perspective of women who chase alpha males. Also, male entitled prickish behavior is generally restricted by law and empathy in a way that Nazism...wasn't.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-57506616400944961872011-04-21T01:49:22.039-04:002011-04-21T01:49:22.039-04:00(I wrote half an angry rant about the Weimar econo...(I wrote half an angry rant about the Weimar economy and deleted it. Pet peeve.)<br /><br />What I really want to say is, yes, overly entitled people suffer because their insane expectations of life are constantly being disappointed. It doesn't mean they're right, it means they have one more reason to get over themselves already, they'd be happier.Emmanoreply@blogger.com