tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post5655391997548204320..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Let's Read Fifty Shades of Grey: Chapter 2!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger67125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51594810533112672132014-03-23T02:31:42.842-04:002014-03-23T02:31:42.842-04:00The boytoy's boyfriend is an utter sadist. He...The boytoy's boyfriend is an utter sadist. He tortured the two of us for almost fifteen minutes by reaching some kind of excerpt from these books. I used to work at an adult store, as a manager, and yeah we sold a lot of these books 'cause the company was about making money and we'd have been stupid not to carry such a popular item. But I refused to read them - normally you read or skim through the books so you know WTF you're selling but I just couldn't, even before I'd started to hear what they were actually like. I read the "contract" that he comes up with and a bit of their "negotiation" over it and that was waaaaay too much and horrible and wrong for me.<br /><br />There are only two good things I have to say about this books series. Well, three now. The first is that, not just through selling the books themselves but also through selling various items through the store, I made a lot of money for the company I used to work for which sometimes earned me small bonuses so I could do things like purchase comic books or a new toy for the cats. The second is that the series seemed to lead a lot of women (and some men) in the stores I worked at to exploring kink for the first-ever time - yeah all het couples near as I could tell but the company really tended to cater to cishet people in general so what can you do - some ladies even went for the top or dominant angle, I got to play Educator to all kinds of kinky newbies while selling them kinky toys from the store and though it might be egotistical of me to say at least they were learning SOME shit right 'cause it was from me (I'm not the most experienced kinkster/BDSMer ever, but I'm a huge HUGE nerd about this kind of stuff, I do have a fair amount of experience, and I do have a lot of experience being an educator on this subject anyway (though not professionally.)) The third good thing I can say is that I've just discovered this fisk, and some other fisks/snarks/whatever through links in your comments, and so far it's very entertaining. I have a decent idea about what is coming based on stuff I've heard, buuut yeah.<br /><br />Anyway your fisk is cracking me up, can't wait to see how you manage to hold up. Braver than I am, seriously. These excerpts are only bearable because of your hilarious comments, name substitutions, etc.<br /><br />-J.M.M.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-41983433589651115282013-12-23T23:25:58.044-05:002013-12-23T23:25:58.044-05:00Honestly.... I liked them. I liked the stories but...Honestly.... I liked them. I liked the stories but then again, I used to be pretty heavy in a BDSM relationship. I had a Dom, and I his Sub and it was good. Then I fell in love, the warm and fuzzy kind of love that every woman likes - I'm still with him today and sure we share a kink or a thousand and it works. I love these books because 1) They take me back - and 2) Because I'm a sucker for 'mommy porn' books. The writing is terrible, the characters are sub-par and confusing, and yet the redemption aspect of the story really gets me. I read them all in two days. ( Sad I know ) and yet I found them funny. ONE thing I will say that was honestly well done in these stories were the emails between Christian and Ana. The taglines were hysterical, the emails cute, and it gave insight and some love to the story... After the whole BDSM Sub/Dom aspect. Maybe that's just me...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-38887264145965536722013-11-27T06:47:11.478-05:002013-11-27T06:47:11.478-05:00AB, what the hell is up with that judge? Rape is r...AB, what the hell is up with that judge? Rape is rape. Surely the victim's age is irrelevant next to the fact that she was RAPED?<br /><br />(If they'd had consensual sex, the verdict would have made more sense to me, aka "yeah she's still underage but mature enough to make an informed decision about whether, and who with, she wants to have sex")Sensenmenschnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-90627275992621241512013-11-24T11:28:30.266-05:002013-11-24T11:28:30.266-05:00Hey, I just wanted to say that I liked your "...Hey, I just wanted to say that I liked your "nopetopus" comment so much that I decided to make it into a gif. Thanks for the inspiration!<br />http://thecakebot.tumblr.com/post/67960997111/nopetopusStephiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12218348614398766229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-22903665362227066372013-11-17T12:17:32.824-05:002013-11-17T12:17:32.824-05:00One thing I'll disagree with you on is the lov...One thing I'll disagree with you on is the love for no reason thing. People who are predators are really good at recognizing insecure naive potential victims. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-67948175009699984992013-11-15T15:28:42.876-05:002013-11-15T15:28:42.876-05:00Yes, the clerk at Home Depot gets it, you're g...<i>Yes, the clerk at Home Depot gets it, you're going to use rope for sexy sex things, and they're approximately as intrigued and delighted as the staff at Rite Aid were when you held your box of condoms aloft and screamed "THESE ARE FOR MY PENIS!"</i><br /><br />Holy crap. I stopped reading your blog for a few months, and when I come back, I discover this thing of comedic beauty. Why did I ever leave?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-57775142976544406892013-11-07T02:18:10.845-05:002013-11-07T02:18:10.845-05:00lol, i love that hat, did u notice the corrogated ...lol, i love that hat, did u notice the corrogated coffin as a related purchase?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080963719101930701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-52140032678061457132013-11-04T07:26:38.168-05:002013-11-04T07:26:38.168-05:00Doesn't that count as cruel and unusual punish...Doesn't that count as cruel and unusual punishment? What did your poor student DO to you?Siobhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07259806500588402830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-18190783513450003292013-10-13T16:45:58.613-04:002013-10-13T16:45:58.613-04:00“There are a few items I need. To start with, I’d ...“There are a few items I need. To start with, I’d like some cable ties,” he murmurs, his gray eyes cool but amused. [...] “I’d like some masking tape.” [...] “I’ll take five yards of the natural filament rope please.”<br /><br />This scene always reminds me of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bhMyFQNfsYAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-65746966159850713552013-10-10T12:48:15.221-04:002013-10-10T12:48:15.221-04:00I died at the Bela Lugosi comment.I died at the Bela Lugosi comment.Orochihttp://sexykeywords.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-2035731451712177532013-09-25T11:15:32.880-04:002013-09-25T11:15:32.880-04:00Hmmm...good point in that it's a history repea...Hmmm...good point in that it's a history repeating story. Grey was a teen who had sex with an adult who physically abused him. Steele is 21 in the story and is manipulated into lots of non-consensual sex/physical abuse. 21 may legally be an adult, but 21 can still be very young. I have a sister in her early 20s who is just ridiculously naive - like someone much younger. She's not all that innocent, in terms of knowledge, but has repeatedly been the target of very manipulative men who take advantage of the fact that she believes everyone is honest/has good intentions. She's also pretty emotionally needy - she ignores huge red flags, because these guys are also doing a lot of positive grooming and make her feel good. She's been lucky, nothing has happened and she's finally realizing that something really bad could happen. <br /><br />I don't think 50's a pedophilia conspiracy, but there are similarities and some of it's too close for comfort. Twilight is about a teen and a very old, literal predator man. 50shades is about a very naive, vulnerable (in that she doesn't feel autonomy/control over herself) young woman and an older, predatory man. It's creepy, it's unhealthy, it romanticizes predators/stalkers, it's sexualizing abuse and normalizing abusive relationships. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-15195662935923676892013-09-23T22:27:06.303-04:002013-09-23T22:27:06.303-04:00I forgot Cliff said he was using the goofy names i...I forgot Cliff said he was using the goofy names in an earlier post and for a minute just went along with it. I mean, the author thought it was necessary to specify the man had two eyes, by then the idea that there's a character named Roll Fizzlebeef isn't too hard to accept. :PMolly Renhttp://molly-ren.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-71613105678317433472013-09-22T18:20:35.605-04:002013-09-22T18:20:35.605-04:00I would not like anyone making a judgement call on...I would not like anyone making a judgement call on an adult about "well, you seem awfully juvenile and irresponsible, so it should be illegal/immoral for you to have sex."<br /><br />She's on the naive side, she's not some kind of literal mental child who doesn't know what sex is.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-87715095489444921012013-09-22T18:14:49.835-04:002013-09-22T18:14:49.835-04:00I don't know why you are torturing yourself by...I don't know why you are torturing yourself by reading this book.EsotericNonsensenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-29121048861192847372013-09-22T16:59:27.178-04:002013-09-22T16:59:27.178-04:00It's not exactly logical. I just find it frust...It's not exactly logical. I just find it frustrating that the reasoning of so many people always changes to whatever is worst for the victim. It's apparently very important how mature a victim is when greater maturity can be used to excuse a child rapist, but when another victim's lack of maturity makes her easier to take advantage of, the people who take advantage of her are not required to treat her according to anything but her chronological age.<br /><br />Personally, I agree that adults are adults, but I think there should be a moral (if not legal) obligation to treat vulnerable people with greater care. Ana sounds like she's on the verge of being mentally disabled in some way, and she's obviously not acquired the kind of life skills that are expected for her age, and it makes the whole thing much more creepy.ABnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-34045686217587689432013-09-22T12:28:06.966-04:002013-09-22T12:28:06.966-04:00I'm not sure I get this logic. I think that j...I'm not sure I get this logic. I think that judge was obviously terrible, and it should, yes, go both ways--the guy who raped the 14-year-old was raping a child, and Ana, pigtails and naivete notwithstanding, is an adult.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-41275701349147863782013-09-22T12:25:53.341-04:002013-09-22T12:25:53.341-04:00I wasn't sure about the pedophilia-angle to be...I wasn't sure about the pedophilia-angle to begin with, but then I remembered that a judge recently lowered the sentence of a adult rapist from 15 years to 30 days because his 14-year-old victim was "older then her chronological age", and now I'm thinking it should at least go both ways. If (allegedly) mature female children don't deserve the same protection as immature children, because they're older than their chronological age, then immature female adults like Bella, sorry, Anastasia deserves extra protection on account of clearly being younger than their chronological age.ABnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-55767504453598282302013-09-22T11:40:02.171-04:002013-09-22T11:40:02.171-04:00Yeah, I dunno. Things like "she says 'ho...Yeah, I dunno. Things like "she says 'holy cow' and wears pigtails and they use BABY OIL" seem like a stretch to me. I agree that it's innocence-fetishizing and that is really disturbing, but I don't think she's secretly a literal child.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-76439184761343918662013-09-22T02:57:30.415-04:002013-09-22T02:57:30.415-04:00http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/16/50-shades...http://theulstermanreport.com/2012/08/16/50-shades-of-grey-pedophilia-hiding-in-plain-sight-letter-from-a-reader/<br /><br />This might be the article you describe.Winternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-21436356325554524542013-09-22T00:59:43.245-04:002013-09-22T00:59:43.245-04:00Yeah, I've read ahead to Chapter 5 by now, and...Yeah, I've read ahead to Chapter 5 by now, and... yeah.<br /><br />My hope (for her sake) is that she's operating not from experience but from a deep, deep misunderstanding of what BDSM is--basically, that she thinks it means "abuse, but with consent!" ...And also she isn't that good on what consent means.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-47663263938069968872013-09-22T00:35:59.298-04:002013-09-22T00:35:59.298-04:00"The part that makes this genuinely upsetting...<i>"The part that makes this genuinely upsetting, though, is that this is supposed to be super romantic. ...this leads to places darker than I really want to go to on the same page as multiple diarrhea jokes.</i><br /><br />That feeling will likely become all too familiar as you keep reading. Seriously, EL James puts so many, many spot-on details of abusive relationships in these books, it's scary. If the author hadn't made it clear that she intends for these books to portray an intensely hot, romantic relationship - maybe a fantasy relationship, but an <i>appealing</i> fantasy - they would make for an impressively, chillingly accurate portrayal of abusive relationships, despite the bad writing.<br /><br />The most horrifying thought to me is that some of the details are so true-to-life that they make you wonder if the author has been there. This may be delusional/presumptuous on my part, but some of the later passages make me go "how could she get this so right if she hasn't experienced it? I mean, she could have worked off of textbooks about abuse, or narratives from abuse victims, but since she seems to be in denial about this being a story about abuse, she wouldn't have used those... so where else is she getting this from?"<br /><br />Sadly, it wouldn't be the first time an author <a href="http://www.thefrisky.com/2013-01-14/on-alisa-valdess-conflict-with-feminism-her-cowboy-domestic-abuse/" rel="nofollow">writes a book about her experience being an abuse victim</a> <a href="http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2013/01/10/the_cowboy_and_the_feminist_turns_out_to_be_a_story_about_abuse.html" rel="nofollow">while still being in denial</a> <a href="http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2013/01/the-real-cowboy-the-real-feminist/267053/" rel="nofollow">about the relationship being abusive</a> <a href="http://jezebel.com/5975379/alisa-valdes-was-abused-at-the-hands-of-the-man-she-swoons-over-in-the-feminist-and-the-cowboy" rel="nofollow">and instead romanticizing the experience</a>.<br /><br />Neuritenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-12949711158714789492013-09-21T17:43:25.890-04:002013-09-21T17:43:25.890-04:00The names are KILLING ME. I'll forget you'...The names are KILLING ME. I'll forget you're doing it, and then another one pops up and I die a little. <br /><br />This is the only way I could possibly read this book. I tried to just read it and couldn't make myself, so thank you. Michellenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-26421073375018172592013-09-21T16:09:48.222-04:002013-09-21T16:09:48.222-04:00"In the land of bad writing, the two-eyed man..."In the land of bad writing, the two-eyed man is king!"hummingbearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-81001270602730582542013-09-21T14:51:47.019-04:002013-09-21T14:51:47.019-04:00I just wanted to pop in and say to Miss Steele tha...I just wanted to pop in and say to Miss Steele that "unwavering and intense" stares are not romantic. They are creepy, and I know this from experience. My father has that exact same thing going on.<br /><br />He may be handsome, smart, and charming, but his intense stares are creepy as fuck. To wit, his wandering eye and creepy vibes have cost him his marriage (he had several one-night stands), his child (me), and at least one job. He now works his way through a girlfriend every few months, and lives alone. That's what happens to a guy in the real world who expects people to simply bend to his will, and give him what he wants. They'll tolerate it for awhile, but unless they also get something out of it, they will eventually wise up and leave you.<br /><br />Man, I had no idea just how bad this book was! But on lighter note, your mocking is just spot-on and hilarious. I nearly cry with laughter every time. It's even a bit cathartic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-48780480705349278062013-09-21T03:41:11.256-04:002013-09-21T03:41:11.256-04:00There is an article somewhere which I can't fi...There is an article somewhere which I can't find now which points out all the ways that Ana is actually around 12 or 13 based on her internal monologue, life experience, etc. It's really disturbing :( It basically says take out the age which is stated and you have totally mainstream, normalised child pornography.peppericehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02546988732845216232noreply@blogger.com