tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post6364530816087246808..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Let's Read Fifty Shades of Grey: Chapter 7!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger117125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-30202668212904363402014-07-16T17:58:01.770-04:002014-07-16T17:58:01.770-04:00I laughed till I had tears in my eyes when you sai...I laughed till I had tears in my eyes when you said "well fuck you too lady" , that was beyond hilarious !!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15891291603056809445noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-68980888413592775082014-07-06T11:15:43.450-04:002014-07-06T11:15:43.450-04:00Late to the comment party, just found this, and fe...Late to the comment party, just found this, and felt the need to add my two cents: <br />Lancelot: Is a fucking killer! Christ, has she read Morte D'Arthur? Lancelot's defining positive trait is how many people he can hack into itty-bitty little pieces... And they are a lot. So, yes, that comparison? Was positively more spot on than intended. Obviously, the intent was to call to mind modern romantic interpretations of knights and what not... But as a literature-interested character, shouldn't Ana know that the tortured romantic hero is a concept of the romantic period (i.e. mid- to end-eighteenth century) while Arthurian stories are a medieval pursuit (i.e. centuries or maybe even a millenium older?) Right, I forgot: Ana Steele isn't a 21-year-old college grad with a lit degree, she's actually a teenaged high school student named Bella Swan. <br />I don't get the virginity deal, either. I mean, aren't there degrees of virginity? I mean, you could've done a load of things in bed with people, actually you could be an experienced kinkster, before you actually lose your virginity in the traditional sense- are you still a virgin then? <br />As for the child molestation thing: Why is it that that's what's held up as this red flag of doom whenever people want to go down the non-straight, non-vanilla roads of sexual behaviour? I mean, that's what always comes up in debates about gay rights and marriage as well: "Next, they'll be demanding to marry children and dogs!"... I don't know why adult men enjoying consensual sex with other adult men equates to them wanting to rape children of either or both sexes, but... well, fear and prejudice don't make sense, that's what they're all about, isn't it? <br />Anyway, thank you for doing this, your commentary has me in stitches, and I'm glad to have a way to find out just how terrible this book is without having to actually suffer through the whole of it myself!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06555962067749932071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-29221196016312959422014-04-06T15:55:03.886-04:002014-04-06T15:55:03.886-04:00"She hit a chord somewhere. What was that cho..."She hit a chord somewhere. What was that chord? What was it about these books that made them so successful?"<br /><br />Speaking from experience, they struck a HUGE chord within Christian Fundamentalism<br />Not at all saying all Christians are a-okay with abuse or anything, but if you look [for example] at things like Debbie Pearl's "Created to be His Help Meet," the relationship dynamics recommend and praised in that [abuse manual] book are the exact same dynamics portrayed in this relationship. <br />For many people I know, a huge part of the fantasy lies less in the activities and more in being the total submissive, in not even having desires, because when you believe you are morally obligated to be 'submissive' so much as having desire can be incredibly painful.<br /><br />If that all sounds dubious, just go spend some time browsing "Christian Domestic Discipline" forums. The similarities between this relationship and many of those relationships becoming glaringly apparent at alarming speed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-78967744216682900782014-03-06T18:05:38.091-05:002014-03-06T18:05:38.091-05:00Ok,my preference for a play room is clean, well li...Ok,my preference for a play room is clean, well lit, and organized; and in the dream world where I'm loaded and have a harem of attractive men my play room would look like a dance studio. So will someone please tell me if the iron grid on the ceiling actually serves a purpose, or if it's just there to be tacky.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-63334593280819264972014-02-12T15:15:16.242-05:002014-02-12T15:15:16.242-05:00Re: the food thing: at a guess (not having read th...Re: the food thing: at a guess (not having read this book before), I would say that it's supposed to be romantic because Christian Grey is proving he cares about Ana's health by forcing her to eat when otherwise she'd just go ahead and starve herself. Apparently. Of course, it doesn't actually work that way, but I can see where someone with a less sophisticated understanding of eating disorders and abusive behavior would look at this and go, 'Aww, he does care!' That doesn't make it less WRONG WRONG WRONG, but it fits within the bounds of my imagination. Barely.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20469521828508693032013-12-02T14:42:57.034-05:002013-12-02T14:42:57.034-05:00I have so many issues with 50 shades and I've ...I have so many issues with 50 shades and I've never even looked at a copy. You are pretty much summing up all my woes chapter by chapter. It's an absolute disgrace and all it does is give the vanillas an unrealistic view on being Dominant and being submissive - both of which are far, far different to her interpretation!Beautyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02124182569973141582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-32591502209220280102013-12-02T02:07:34.471-05:002013-12-02T02:07:34.471-05:00I think late eighteenth century was neoclassical, ...I think late eighteenth century was neoclassical, replacing roccoco, but whichever, if it's a nineteenth century copy you can bet your leather knickers it's ghastly, overblown and tasteless.<br /><br />Which sounds just right for Sperm Thunderwhack.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-72669719029543714172013-11-28T13:00:34.390-05:002013-11-28T13:00:34.390-05:00@previous Anon: I think FAKE might actually be key...@previous Anon: I think FAKE might actually be key to that. Real leather is porous and with possible open skin means Hep C worries. Even WITHOUT that, I'd recommend making sure your decontamination procedures kill MRSA.<br /><br />I'm pretty sure alcohol isn't enough for several things, and also that good cleaners need to sit longer than most people leave them. Also, I wonder whether frequent wipe downs affect surface integrity?<br /><br />Leather just CAN'T be sanitized. It's SKIN and has holes!<br /><br />* You may have noticed I didn't say a thing about HIV. (I hear my mother screaming now about how bi men will give me HIV, but that's another can o prejudiced crap) That's because HIV doesn't survive outside the body very long. If your decontamination takes care of Hep C, HIV is long gone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-66014270620889841402013-11-28T12:48:47.721-05:002013-11-28T12:48:47.721-05:00Awww.
I think it's relevant info if you'r...Awww.<br /><br />I think it's relevant info if you're asking whether or not someone has experience with something like suspension (where minor things like a little tingly in your fingers are actually an emergent NEED-TO-KNOW for the top, and this isn't always common knowledge).<br /><br />It's relevant what your exposure risk is for various diseases.<br /><br />Aside from pardoning your potential inexperience, or helping make it a special experience for you (or, declining to play that role), why do I need to know?<br /><br />I think the issue is that we assume the first time is ultra-special ALWAYS. And yes, tricking someone into doing a super-special thing for you IS a reasonable thing for them to be upset about. If it's just something that you're ready to cross off and not have the baggage anymore, and there is no safety concern, nor any foreseeable reason that this will be triggering for you? Then you're not tricking anyone.<br /><br />I wish we put less baggage on this one act though.<br /><br />Also, the virgin=tight thing? W.T.F? Okay, giving birth vaginally changes things, but other than that it's kegels. You want a tight, tight hole to stick your noodlely appendage in? Get me off with just one or two fingers to clamp down on first. Let me take a minute to calm down, and THEN go for it.<br /><br />Or, let me give you a hand job... I can adjust the diameter at will.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-32170889157068933322013-11-28T12:09:03.744-05:002013-11-28T12:09:03.744-05:00I actually get the 'don't tell me ever'...I actually get the 'don't tell me ever' thing. Because society treats virginity as ultra-super special, if you get to a point where you're actually a bit awkwardly old, and enjoying more of a fuck buddy relationship than a romance? It adds weird baggage.<br /><br />And this is sort of specific to being on the end where you can get away with it and not seem like you utterly suck in bed.<br /><br />Example: my boyfriend worked out that he's a bit bi quite late in life. I'm pretty sure none of the guys he rounded various bases with were aware that they were the first.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-33714987874015246682013-11-23T06:37:25.115-05:002013-11-23T06:37:25.115-05:00I don't really understand the problems with th...I don't really understand the problems with the leather matress. Basicly all of the parties I've been to, including the one I organize (in a gay sex club), have beds/matresses/massage tables/andreas crosses covered in fake leather. Before and after the party we clean them with alcohol and during the party there are dettol napkins everywhere for people to use. Normal cotton bedsheets can be washed after the party but arent changed during. And all the juices go through them into the matress as well.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-6038757218905325232013-11-13T07:12:20.936-05:002013-11-13T07:12:20.936-05:00Yes! Although maybe Ana is observing that althoug...Yes! Although maybe Ana is observing that although it was rococo era, it looked like it was made 100 years later and was, in fact, a rococo imagining of the future that was breathtakingly accurate.<br /><br />Give her some credit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-36479013383302247482013-11-11T18:05:14.814-05:002013-11-11T18:05:14.814-05:00I like spanking people and I really am appalled by...I like spanking people and I really am appalled by how much of the information/writing on the internet makes it sound like if a person likes spanking you can just beat on them at any time in any way because "well they are submissive, if they don't like it that just means you need to be more capital D dominate." Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-34331591060922344662013-11-11T04:17:49.235-05:002013-11-11T04:17:49.235-05:00Thank you for wading into this book to do this ser...Thank you for wading into this book to do this series. I'm going to send people here when they ask me for specifics about why 50 Shades fails on every level as a romance series. Remove the romance aspect, it would work beautifully as psychological horror. I'm wondering if E. L. James thought "The Gift of Fear" was a relationship guide, since she seemed to think Alec d'Urberville was a dreamboat or something. (Seriously did she even read "Tess of the d'Urbervilles"? Thomas Hardy wrote a creeper so accurate it gave me nightmares!)<br /><br />I've met guys who can pronounce the capitol D when they say "dominant". They all seem to come off like Slab BulkHead does here, entitled, scary, and completely lacking in boundaries or common sense. And they all seem to get really hostile when they meet a sub who doesn't roll over for their every command.Ms. Heathenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02149409248793481209noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-35992800046568621842013-11-10T22:57:01.721-05:002013-11-10T22:57:01.721-05:00Well, I've now spent my last week and a half r...Well, I've now spent my last week and a half reading that during any free time I end up having and just finished reading Gratuitous Kink. Their relationship does have some issues (well, okay, quite a few), but I like that there's no real denial of that...at least by the books themselves (some of the fans seem to feel differently, however). Also, I think my favorite thing is just the fact that, unlike Ana, Warrick actually has had some prior experience and is aware of what he's getting into. That doesn't seem like it would be a big deal, but it's just such a nice change.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-73192182823578701492013-11-10T19:15:19.789-05:002013-11-10T19:15:19.789-05:00I call that the hyena laugh, because hyenas laugh ...I call that the hyena laugh, because hyenas laugh when they're threatened. (I do the same thing, so I had to come up with a name, since nobody else seems to understand that not all laughter is good.)CheckeredFoxglovehttp://checkeredfoxglove.deviantart.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-18763292023030052912013-11-10T18:12:43.931-05:002013-11-10T18:12:43.931-05:00...moar!...moar!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-84051826781326299112013-11-10T17:34:16.779-05:002013-11-10T17:34:16.779-05:00I read for a moment then blinked. I am a fire perf...I read for a moment then blinked. I am a fire performer and we do fire 'fleshing' all the time. Fuel on skin and light then quickly wipe it away. Usually no pain. Spanking hurt way more! The more I read the more I feel sick to my stomach, but I must read on! Thank you Cliff for giving me this to refer people to when they said "I liked 50 shades of grey!"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-18947725437462316442013-11-09T17:04:40.871-05:002013-11-09T17:04:40.871-05:00I guess it IS typical for Mr. Grey to think that &...I guess it IS typical for Mr. Grey to think that "all white" is not a design choice :)Amtepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-8414995915311542282013-11-09T10:36:16.411-05:002013-11-09T10:36:16.411-05:00I actually burst out laughing when I read that the...I actually burst out laughing when I read that there was a content warning for disordered eating on this chapter, as if all the rest wasn't bad enough. It's like E L James has some sort of checklist of Extremely Fucked Up And Triggering Shit that she's carefully working through, item by item.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05501987706898459702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-57736088958721428882013-11-08T18:10:42.745-05:002013-11-08T18:10:42.745-05:00I assumed the room was all white because Ana is me...I assumed the room was all white because Ana is meant to decorate it in whatever way she chooses - so he's giving her a blank canvas.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51561171802435377522013-11-07T16:18:30.671-05:002013-11-07T16:18:30.671-05:00Oh my God! When will you finally write Chapter 8? ...Oh my God! When will you finally write Chapter 8? Can't wait for it ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-26106144248598387442013-11-07T13:55:15.995-05:002013-11-07T13:55:15.995-05:00I can see specifying no *age* play. But that's...I can see specifying no *age* play. But that's really quite a different matter.Irenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-36015732387327624912013-11-07T02:32:46.369-05:002013-11-07T02:32:46.369-05:00Weirdly, Ann Rice had this kind of thing going on ...Weirdly, Ann Rice had this kind of thing going on too! I think in one interview she talked about how hot she found Lestat and I'm like "... really? You pretty clearly made him the abuser in Interview With A Vampire". Molly Renhttp://molly-ren.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-91563538467230639452013-11-06T22:01:05.348-05:002013-11-06T22:01:05.348-05:00This is a ridiculous amount of triggery to me (not...This is a ridiculous amount of triggery to me (not blaming you, I chose to read and I'm enjoying the jokes and stuff as well) because, I love spanking/caning but it has taken me nearly two years to get to the point that I do not instinctively whimper and cower in fear when my fiance pulls his hand back. God it was frustrating. "I want to feel it so bad, but my now hypervigilant self-preservation drive won't let me!" And this was because of the fucking countless men who think "I like spanking" means "hit as hard as you can right off the bat, shame me if I ask you to stop/use the safeword, sulkily comment that that wasn't hard at all by *your* standards." I learned NOT to say "I like spanking" far too late. <br /><br />A while before I met my fiance, I was in a semi-serious relationship with a guy whom I came to trust enough to risk telling him that. He did the same. damn. thing. In fact, he chased me around the bed with a paddle while I did that laugh - a laugh I am now extremely familiar with - that I do when I'm trapped in an abusive situation and I don't know how to get out and heehee please stop please heeheehee. So. Many. Times. <br /><br />Two years of patience and sensitivity and actual 'negotiation' later, I am in a place where my whimper and cower and try to flee instinct is only triggered if he comes too close to my pain threshold, which is still annoying because I *like* things right on or somewhat over my pain threshold (you may know, that moment where "I don't think I can take any more of this" melts into awesomeness), but that intense fear instinct is still too strong because of previous fucking douchebags.<br /><br />So, yeah...whenever mildly kinky or non-kinky (or even professedly very kinky, although this is rarer) people say that Fifty Shades isn't *that bad* a representation of kink, I want to cry. <br /><br />Thanks for doing this Cliff, even though it's fucking harrowing, it is a morbid relief to see my intense objections be put right out there by someone who knows. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com