tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post6487874611807981698..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: A brief glossary of PUA terminology.Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-88393312959384677632010-08-25T14:59:28.543-04:002010-08-25T14:59:28.543-04:00Anon - Is the Kool-Aid that strong? 98% of societ...Anon - Is the Kool-Aid that strong? 98% of society doesn't know or care about Mr. Silly Hat, we've just gone around dating people we liked.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-26388401317171267132010-08-25T14:48:26.801-04:002010-08-25T14:48:26.801-04:00The top PUAs, Mystery, Zan, David D, whatever, for...The top PUAs, Mystery, Zan, David D, whatever, for the most part are brilliant men. In the future, cultural anthropologists will herald them as the men who revolutionized gender relations and conventional thinking regarding dating and sex.<br /><br />That said, they are also businessmen and profiteers, so don't treat them like the messiah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-31318597854350929532010-08-23T07:58:17.096-04:002010-08-23T07:58:17.096-04:00You know, all this talk about PUA's depresses ...You know, all this talk about PUA's depresses the living daylights out of me. It makes me hate the fact that I was born a gender that is objectified as much as it is. It makes me distrust the opinion of those who justify its merits without contemplating its destructive nature or the fabricated element of it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-50017012948143270722010-08-22T04:24:29.723-04:002010-08-22T04:24:29.723-04:00They don't cease to exist, their sexual market...They don't cease to exist, their sexual market value falls, and men tend to fight (metaphorically) over the remaining skinny women.<br /><br />As for the men, women tend to seek things in men besides looks (perceived social status, mainly), whereas males fairly uniformly prefer looks in women (not to mention that most hot women are high status anyways). This is why obesity, while afflicting people of both genders, skews gender ratios.<br /><br />Not having seen you, I'm not going to judge your quality, that's for you to know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-44423039047030285182010-08-21T02:14:54.230-04:002010-08-21T02:14:54.230-04:00Certainly I found that unprotected or protected se...Certainly I found that unprotected or protected sex with women in the "normal" BMI range was more exciting at every stage than grad-school-feminism-mandated protected sex (the protection, not the sex, mandated sex? "I wish!") with women in the "overweight" or "obese" ranges, but that may just be confirming socialization, but, yeah. I'm actually most interested in seeing your face in your pics because your body looks, plus or minus, about the same as that of every Jewish woman I've been with in grad school, even down to skin tone, but, yes, I've been with a range of women and I find thin is better personally, even if that's just my socialization to male privilege rewarding me with better brain jollies. On the other hand, this also means that there are fat women out there I haven't been an intolerable doofus to and I've had sustainable relationships with them. Don't tell my PUA lair or they'll revoke my membership card.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-69350948880164848942010-08-20T17:20:10.255-04:002010-08-20T17:20:10.255-04:00Whoa, so when women are obese they cease to EXIST?...Whoa, so when women are obese they cease to EXIST? Whoa.<br /><br />Question: Most of the guys I've fucked have been pretty damn chunky themselves. Do they still exist? (And to the obvious schoolyard reply of "you could only fuck low quality men because you're a low quality woman!"--if I enjoyed it and they enjoyed it, what's your "quality" even good for?)Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-31403520475195509872010-08-20T17:07:58.632-04:002010-08-20T17:07:58.632-04:00You guys are correct that PUA's train people t...You guys are correct that PUA's train people to (try to) get women that are considered physically attractive by mainstream society. But actually, most people come to pickup for a variety of reasons, such as:<br /><br />1) They can score 7s, but want to score 9s and 10s (these guys are pretty rare, and probably the ones who will shell out a couple grand for a ridiculously overpriced "bootcamp").<br /><br />2) They have had a limited sexual history, and want more options (fairly common).<br /><br />3) They have NO sexual history, because they never "got it" in high school (also somewhat common).<br /><br />4) They want a good wingman to go clubbing with.<br /><br />As for why PUA's exist to begin with, there are a number of hypotheses. <br /><br />1) Since women (and men, but that's less important) have started becoming more obese, the gender ratios of modern society have become artificially skewed, thus forcing men to learn game in order to score higher quality women. Probably Roissy was the first to posit this hypothesis.<br /><br />2) Due to changing gender roles in society, traits such as a money and a stable income are no longer considered attractive, thus forcing men to learn game. Many PUA's hold this view.<br /><br />3) The ideas that a man is taught in childhood about how to attract women: that he is supposed to supplicate to a woman, buy her stuff, be her shoulder to cry on, etc, fails as a model of seduction. What happens is that the woman uses the man for emotional stability and tangible benefits, while sleeping with an alpha.<br /><br />4) Or, my personal hypothesis.<br /><br />Mainstream society's view of seduction:<br /><br />Step 1: Find and talk to girl<br />Step 2: ???<br />Step 3: (orgasm) Profit!<br /><br />Pickup is here because some guys never figured out step 2.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-76698941764712052562010-08-18T20:19:29.178-04:002010-08-18T20:19:29.178-04:00I think it's pretty apparent that PUA "qu...I think it's pretty apparent that PUA "quality" like PUA "difficulty level" means "mainstream physical attractiveness." In particular, some men come to PUA because they can consistently get NON-physical qualities in their partners but physical appearance brings in the issue of "leagues" and "hot chick behaviors" and for whatever reason "smart thin conventionally attractive woman" is infinitely harder to pick up at every stage than "smart woman." PUA promises "attractive" women, it's more accurate to say "women who have always heard from others that they are pretty and behave accordingly."Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-68039788944839784612010-08-18T11:37:14.150-04:002010-08-18T11:37:14.150-04:00Anon - It's just weird for me because all my f...Anon - It's just weird for me because all my friends are <i>people.</i> I have to get along with them and stuff. And call me a vagina-afflicted little Pollyana, but I don't think I could line my friends up in order of "quality." That's like asking if a candy bar is better or worse than an alarm clock. There's too many variables and it depends what you're looking for.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-55181443004920903512010-08-18T01:43:34.409-04:002010-08-18T01:43:34.409-04:00Belledame: LOL. Of course you can. And somehow ...Belledame: LOL. Of course you can. And somehow social skills other than pick-up have never gotten me laid.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51242916737554459732010-08-17T21:57:17.494-04:002010-08-17T21:57:17.494-04:00Lol, pickup has some weird stuff about it, but on ...Lol, pickup has some weird stuff about it, but on the whole it's a positive thing, and the goal for the members involved in it is self-improvement.<br /><br />Regarding the terminology you picked:<br /><br />PUA: PUA is a normative term used to describe a student of seduction. Some PUA's disdain the term, since it is a title based on the reactions of women, and your true worth comes from within.<br /><br />1-10 Scale: This may seem misogynistic, but this scale has nothing at all to do with pickup. EVERY guy rates girls, PUA or not.<br /><br />Alpha/Beta: Your argument is a strawman. Everyone knows that "Betas" get laid too, but as a matter of undisputable fact, "Alphas" get laid with better quality women.<br /><br />Approach: Looks like you've heard of opinion openers. There are other kinds, like direct openers (stating that you find the woman interesting), and situational ones (commenting on the situation), but whatever.<br /><br />Close: A # close is getting the number, a K-close is getting a kiss, I don't see anything weird about this.<br /><br />Friend-Zone: Actually, PUA's know that every woman dreams of scoring a high-caliber man. But anyways, this term has nothing to do with pickup. It has to do with a man who failed to build enough attraction with a woman, so the woman disqualified him as a suitor, but wants to keep him around for favors.<br /><br />Neg: Negs are playful disses or backhanded compliments. They won't work if you're obvious about them.<br /><br />What saddens me most about pickup is the guys that claim that it will eliminate rejection, or let you routinely fuck 9s and 10s. It won't. What it can do is help you get and keep girls somewhat more attractive than the ones you've been seeing, like getting 7s instead of 5s.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-88292117463193281892010-08-15T05:39:06.157-04:002010-08-15T05:39:06.157-04:00*straight men really can't exercise sexual age...*straight men really can't exercise sexual agency in this culture without money, power, looks, inborn charisma or learned social skill.*<br /><br />Wow, you have it so much harder than the rest of us, who totally can do whatever we want, especially sexually! without the benefit of any of those things. <br /><br />p.s. "learned social skills" are a good thing, you know?belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-46096480716758504072010-08-15T05:28:30.882-04:002010-08-15T05:28:30.882-04:00I so don't get this crazy moon language...I so don't get this crazy moon language...belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-60772209290108610062010-08-08T19:14:28.096-04:002010-08-08T19:14:28.096-04:00Jake, that just makes you a jerk. Women like flowe...Jake, that just makes you a jerk. Women like flowers and candlelight dinners! All of them! All the time! And nothing else!Hershele Ostropolernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-74126145121648994212010-08-07T19:28:16.684-04:002010-08-07T19:28:16.684-04:00Whatever just happened to being friendly, respectf...Whatever just happened to being friendly, respectful, flirty and a bit cheeky? Comes naturally, and I'm very happy with how I've always done!Jakehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12169469327479936450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-31712488563494361472010-08-06T16:01:42.768-04:002010-08-06T16:01:42.768-04:00Dungeon, Kikar Kedumim, Old Jaffa. Owned by a nic...Dungeon, Kikar Kedumim, Old Jaffa. Owned by a nice middle-aged guy named Amos. Standard newcomer rules apply, I basically got to hang out and meet everyone but I was suggested (and most comfortable with) a temporary no-touch policy.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-16964236292338066912010-08-06T12:46:43.733-04:002010-08-06T12:46:43.733-04:00@eurosabra
Where's this Tel-Aviv BDSM club you...@eurosabra<br />Where's this Tel-Aviv BDSM club you mention (I'm visiting Tel-Aviv for another month and am curious.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-15532448358836017402010-08-05T14:09:30.880-04:002010-08-05T14:09:30.880-04:00PUA doesn't "work", nothing "wo...PUA doesn't "work", nothing "works", straight men really can't exercise sexual agency in this culture without money, power, looks, inborn charisma or learned social skill. Average Guy With A Girlfriend is polling the 300-500+ women in his broad social circle (an entire college "Class Of" cohort, for example) for a period of years, until he finds ONE. The reason I am not off in MRA-rape advocacy land like Eivind "Arpagus" Berge is that I always lived around women during the ultimate dry spell I (1989-98) and I was sufficiently ADD and socially extroverted that living in Europe/Israel meant always going to exciting new places (Bomb threats! Real bombs! Charging bulls!) with awesome new people, some of whom were women and of those 2 or 3 I might have dated. Graduate school and boring adult life is what made me a grump. And Yahoo Personals and JDate.<br /><br />I've always been somewhat relate-able, it's just that the fading of social situations where people were FORCED to interact (dorms, etc) threw me back on the problem of being a man in this (urban Jewish) culture, where (in New York/Princeton/Tel Aviv/Jerusalem/LA) women are mainly interested in what you can do for them, meaning that the alpha-beta sorting is perfect. Every Jewish woman I've dated has also been educated, sometimes disabled, often fat, often underemployed, messy, a good cook, into classical music. PUA changed me enough that I could date, that I could date a broader range of women, and gave me enough success that I could avoid "But I WANNA" as a rationale for bad behavior.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-22594568335602756182010-08-04T20:49:01.527-04:002010-08-04T20:49:01.527-04:00Mousie00: "In PUA you pretend not to be despe...Mousie00: "In PUA you pretend not to be desperate, because that's not an attractive trait."<br /><br />Ah, but that's just one of the unattractive traits you pretend not to have! You also pretend you're not boring, shallow, creepy, and contemptuous of women.<br /><br />(Warning: terribly earnest and didactic wall of text follows.)<br /><br /><i>Boring</i> is, I suspect, the big one. When you've rebuilt yourself into a machine for picking up women, what's left of you to have a relationship with? Suppose the conversation goes well and she wants to see you again some time. "Are you free this Saturday?" "Sorry, I'm going to a conference on how to pick up women. I'm giving a talk on that thing I just did where I commented disparagingly on your shoes. Maybe next weekend?" I guess that's fine if your goal really is to have sex with lots of women and then completely forget they exist, but the world would be a better place if you castrated yourself and then picked pretty much any other goal.<br /><br />And the reason PUA makes me angry (rather than just vaguely amused at the stupidity) is that it steers men toward that goal. There was a time in my life when I was exactly the kind of idiot who would get into it, if I'd encountered it--like many young nerds, I thought there was a <i>trick</i> to attracting a woman's interest, and all the Average Guys with Girlfriends have figured out the trick.* PUA promises the trick, and then delivers a set of confidence games built on the notion that women are basically interchangeable. You want to get together with Sarah, the cute girl in your physiology class, but don't know what to say? Here's what you do: Forget her. Go down to a noisy, smoky club and try this routine on fifty different women. Most of them will ignore you, because they're bitches and rejecting men is their greatest pleasure in life. The next day, try it again. Keep trying until you find a bitch desperate enough to sleep with you. That's your social life now.<br /><br />And it turned out that the reason I didn't have a girlfriend was that I didn't know how to relate to other humans. Not "how to approach them", but <i>how to care about them</i>. If I'd had PUA bullshit as a distraction, I'd still be there. Instead, I learned to be a marginally less terrible person.<br /><br />* Or were told the trick, and sworn to secrecy, on the day in high school when we were at Academic Decathlon.<br /><br /><br />tl;dr version: PUA is for guys who can't get a date because they suck, but don't want to give up sucking.Mark Z.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-29834639051611533162010-08-04T16:32:41.688-04:002010-08-04T16:32:41.688-04:00Guys: if you want women to stop being "gateke...Guys: if you want women to stop being "gatekeepers" then STOP CHARGING OUR GATES. It makes us reflexively clamp up in self-defense.<br /><br />-perversecowgirlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-78229366790448654422010-08-04T15:07:19.330-04:002010-08-04T15:07:19.330-04:00Butt-Slut: Aren't you in favor of violence aga...Butt-Slut: Aren't you in favor of violence against women, though? So we're on the same side after all!<br /><br />Eurosabra - Oh, so that's not exactly once a week, is it? (Maybe maybe just maybe PUA doesn't work so well?) Also, dammit, I'll <i>keep</i> my damn gate; the alternative of just leaving it open is rather unpleasant.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-50518970544958325672010-08-04T13:09:34.614-04:002010-08-04T13:09:34.614-04:00Well, I am working on a since-February dry spell, ...Well, I am working on a since-February dry spell, mainly from social and geographical inconveniences resulting from a death in the family, but that doesn't alter the fact that "gatekeeping" behavior and Bruno-described online anomie are the roots of the problem.<br /><br />Still working on being a happy person.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-23385137323002089332010-08-04T01:18:25.930-04:002010-08-04T01:18:25.930-04:00You've got it wrong, broski; you're Butt-S...You've got it wrong, broski; you're Butt-Slut, she's Hole-y.<br /><br />Can't believe trolls nowadays. So incompetent and moronic, they can't even get names straight. Why, back in my day... *mutter mutter*Aaronnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-24225851280726514282010-08-03T23:13:19.283-04:002010-08-03T23:13:19.283-04:00Butt Slut,
Read this :
How feminists encourage v...Butt Slut,<br /><br />Read this :<br /><br /><a href="http://www.inmalafide.com/2009/10/29/sluttiness-implies-consent-or-how-feminists-encourage-violence-against-women/" rel="nofollow">How feminists encourage violence against women.</a><br /><br />People like you and Twisty Faster (ideological twins) have much to learn. Feminism hurts women, and should be stopped.Hole-y is a Butt Slutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-69587975785846021532010-08-03T18:50:22.071-04:002010-08-03T18:50:22.071-04:00After all these years (I discussed this, though no...After all these years (I discussed this, though not with Eurosabra, as far back as 2006) the word "success" in this context still bothers me. It's transactional, I guess, I forget the exact jargon; basically, it seems to suggest something other than a mutually fulfilling if potentially very brief or highly focused encounter.Hershele Ostropolernoreply@blogger.com