tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post6689151842335488879..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Dammit, Lance Part 2: Twisty Liberates Babies From Their Cribs!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-52846312298001516642012-05-16T06:22:48.440-04:002012-05-16T06:22:48.440-04:00.. WHY? Why would art be gone? Because it's ba..... WHY? Why would art be gone? Because it's bad? WTF?Ianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14770818335460387968noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-7801523017334568642011-08-16T02:29:47.684-04:002011-08-16T02:29:47.684-04:00"Imagine: art, gone!"
That sounds rathe..."Imagine: art, gone!"<br /><br />That sounds rather nightmarish.<br /><br />(Of course, I don't really think this. It's just the patriarchy!)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-10572074133449735572011-03-01T02:04:06.421-05:002011-03-01T02:04:06.421-05:00Although delivered in her usual batshit crazy mann...Although delivered in her usual batshit crazy manner this was quite a bit better than the usual batshit craziness. Unlike women, children really are near universally oppressed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-55946533380312052552011-02-09T07:17:44.039-05:002011-02-09T07:17:44.039-05:00If ending art is a result of ending war and oppres...If ending art is a result of ending war and oppression...<br /><br />I think I'd be ok with war and oppression, then. If we're being honest, here.RoboCophttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPrnWq8mA6w&feature=relatednoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-10882828924067055342010-12-14T17:48:16.522-05:002010-12-14T17:48:16.522-05:00In fairness to two year olds everywhere, kids are ...In fairness to two year olds everywhere, kids are selfish little heathens because they have no concept of the other as themselves. They just figured out object permanence as in, when I hide the ball behind my back it doesn't cease to exist. Something as abstract as a social contract among humans is still a few years off. Adults on the other hand, understand what it is like to be hurt (emotionally or physically) and get the concept that hurting others isn't really good because you don't want THEM to hurt YOU. And not just in a "we agree not to kill each other" way, but in an understanding, compassionate, it sucks to get hurt so I'm not gonna hurt others, kinda way.<br /><br />Not sure exactly what this adds, I guess my point is that we DO add context and meaning to our child's expectations as they grow up, and some of that requires prerequisite understanding and maturity. Neither the "children are pure creatures" nor the "children are selfish heathens" explanations really do justice for me.<br /><br />RobAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-28438236785094082762009-04-01T09:21:00.000-04:002009-04-01T09:21:00.000-04:00what's her obsession with pulsating? I wanna puls...what's her obsession with pulsating? I wanna pulsate too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51731386792467335022009-04-01T00:46:00.000-04:002009-04-01T00:46:00.000-04:00Most of the actual attracted-to-women lesbians I k...Most of the actual attracted-to-women lesbians I know consider political lesbians to be appropriators and colonisers. At best.<BR/><BR/>Meanwhile, pregnant chick eyerolls at Twisty. Well, at least it's some variety in things to eyeroll about.Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-29804697629885211082009-03-31T23:17:00.000-04:002009-03-31T23:17:00.000-04:00This may be the single fucking craziest thing I've...This may be the single fucking craziest thing I've ever read.<BR/><BR/>Only someone who has never had to wipe shit off a baby's ass could possibly come up with such twaddle.Tamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07285540310465422476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-49250390098988955722009-03-31T21:24:00.000-04:002009-03-31T21:24:00.000-04:00Say, for example, that because of changes engender...<I>Say, for example, that because of changes engendered by the feminist revolution, kids wouldn’t need to be raised at all. They could flit about the countryside according to whim, just like anybody else. Why not? They wouldn’t be kidnaped or raped or sold into sex slavery because, remember? dominance and submission is a thing of the past.</I><BR/><BR/>Ok, I haven't finished reading yet, and I haven't read the comments, but I just had to take a moment here.<BR/><BR/>I bet Ms. Twisty (if she has a car) has one of those stupid "Wolves Belong" bumper stickers on it. Because she doesn't live anywhere near where any actual, real live wolves are. Because if she did, she'd see the problem inherent in letting little kids freely roam the countryside without any sort of adult supervision. (I'm giving her credit for being able to add two and two together and get something even close to four, here.)<BR/><BR/>Unless part of her child rearing strategy is to make sure every child over the age of three becomes a crack rifle shot, and gets to carry. But I have my doubts.perlhaqrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01920117742664645165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-25218827226835545452009-03-31T13:28:00.000-04:002009-03-31T13:28:00.000-04:00@Heather It was an in joke, that you won't comple...@Heather It was an in joke, that you won't completely understand until you've seen the episode of <I>Corner Gas</I> where Oscar becomes the school bus driver. But I think it's pretty funny anyway, 'cos I like techno-goth-punk Celts in black leather.<BR/><BR/>And yes, the whole concept of "political lesbianism" is...odd. There was a lot of it in college, which, considering my college, was a lot of spoilt rich kids pouting that life wasn't what they wanted. "I'm only going to sleep with X because Y is evil" is bigoted and silly no matter what you put in for the variables. And, yes, it does seem disrespectful of people who are doing it for reasons of love and attraction. Kind of "I'm more alternative than thou."William the Coronerhttp://www.williamthecoroner.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-15747169645019918842009-03-31T02:36:00.000-04:002009-03-31T02:36:00.000-04:00Figleaf - I'll try. I know I have a serious weakn...Figleaf - I'll try. I know I have a serious weakness for the cheap shot, but somewhere deep down I do understand that arguing (or agreeing! it's possible! theoretically!) with the base idea of something is a lot worthier than picking out sentences that sound silly.<BR/><BR/>Really I just think that men and women are more alike than Cosmo <I>or</I> Twisty gives us credit for. (Also, I'm kind of a pragmatist, and I have very little interest in things that can't be achieved in physical reality as we know it.) I would love to see a world where power differentials aren't arbitrarily associated with things (like sex or race) unrelated to ability, but doing away with power altogether is impossible and downright meaningless.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-69948284887634268662009-03-31T01:17:00.000-04:002009-03-31T01:17:00.000-04:00"I'll search it out at the library next weekend."I..."I'll search it out at the library next weekend."<BR/><BR/>It's a good idea. I liked the book. A lot! Although, yeah, some of it seems whacky as owl-shit today (you have to hold your nose when you wade through the bits about race because they're... barkingly racist by todays standards.) But if you factor for the fact that that everyone else in 1968 was spouting a lot of the same offensive, boinkingly Marxist, Issac Asimov-ist sort of stuff then... it gets pretty interesting.<BR/><BR/>For what it's worth, unlike Twisty, Firestone reserves her ire for what would now be called constructed gender (the kind of construction that says you can't be an ambulance driver, a firearm aficionado, or enjoy sex because you're a girl) than about anatomical sex or, for that matter plain old sex.<BR/><BR/>It being 41 years since Dialectic was published it's not likely to turn you into a radical separatist. But it *is* likely to make you even more irked with Cosmopolitan magazine.<BR/><BR/>Oh yeah, and one last thing? If you read it in good faith instead of just looking for 60's-era howlers you'll be able to engage Twisty on a whole 'nother level because you'll have a better idea of what her rules are.<BR/><BR/>Good luck.<BR/><BR/>figleaffigleafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01440982008394316977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-21657253047352750952009-03-30T22:45:00.000-04:002009-03-30T22:45:00.000-04:00Lawrence - It'll only let me read the abstract. :...Lawrence - It'll only let me read the abstract. :( But the whole concept of "political lesbianism" drives me nuts. It seems like such an insult to ordinary, actually-<I>attracted</I>-to-women lesbians.<BR/><BR/>Hypatia - I haven't read it, I'm allergic to books with "dialectic" in the title. However, in honor of intellectual thoroughness (and the possibility of getting a good post out of it), I'll search it out at the library next weekend.<BR/><BR/>Lance - Good boy.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-50205880404425730072009-03-30T21:38:00.000-04:002009-03-30T21:38:00.000-04:00Well, I don't understand all this snark but I'm su...Well, I don't understand all this snark but I'm sure Holly is just too smart and advanced for me.Lancenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-80912544108869398592009-03-30T20:23:00.000-04:002009-03-30T20:23:00.000-04:00@William the Conqueror: Lord of the Dance or Lord ...@William the Conqueror: <I>Lord of the Dance</I> or <I>Lord of the Flies</I>? 'Cause I have to say, anarchic Lord of the Dance sounds pretty awesome. *dances away*<BR/><BR/>Also I can't even fathom this woman. Her crazy kills my mind.<BR/><BR/>And WTF is with the pulsating? If I'm going to be a bodiless consciousness or whatever, I don't want to look like some kind of horrible experiment in a jar. *disturbed*Heathernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-3795160290006392009-03-30T19:04:00.000-04:002009-03-30T19:04:00.000-04:00Uh, yeah-- Shulamith Firestone is kinda nutty. Hav...Uh, yeah-- Shulamith Firestone is kinda nutty. Have you read the Dialectic of Sex, though? There were some interesting points in there, a lot of which made much more sense than this particular crap (which comes at the end of the book... when she seems to have gone really off the deep-end.) The stuff on what a bunch of hooey the idea of "penis envy" is, is pretty darn good though.StephanieChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11829385648569954260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-52182062710105143302009-03-30T17:58:00.000-04:002009-03-30T17:58:00.000-04:00Apropos of almost nothing, did you happen to read ...Apropos of almost nothing, did you happen to read the New Yorker article on March 2nd about the radical lesbians "The Van Dykes"?<BR/><BR/>http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/03/02/090302fa_fact_levy<BR/><BR/>I think Twisty would have HATED the article. (which was written, by a lesbian, in a fairly light-hearted but positive tone) In the next weeks' issue of the New Yorker, there was a letter to the editor from an angry women in North Carolina (?)about that article, declaring that there is nothing funny about radical lesbianism. Go figure...Lawrencehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11118782909100245547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-43551256179379660882009-03-30T16:30:00.000-04:002009-03-30T16:30:00.000-04:00Someone needs to go read Lord of the Flies.The 'ki...Someone needs to go read <I>Lord of the Flies</I>.<BR/><BR/>The 'kids are pure and innocent and perfect until we destroy them with culture' thing <I>drives me up a wall.</I> Kids are just as violent and selfish as adults; the only reason they don't do as much damage is because they don't have large muscles or (generally) access to weapons. A full-grown man with the behavioral tendencies and self-control of a two-year-old would be terrifying.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-71402558859931189602009-03-30T14:04:00.000-04:002009-03-30T14:04:00.000-04:00That or Twisty picked up on her parent's hatred of...That or Twisty picked up on her parent's hatred of paint. "God damn it, this stuff's non-toxic! Now it doesn't matter HOW MUCH she eats it!"<BR/><BR/>... maybe that was a bit over the line?Snarkyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08956562667861185334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-65998354031920331042009-03-30T13:53:00.000-04:002009-03-30T13:53:00.000-04:00I'm going to skip over everything else because it'...I'm going to skip over everything else because it's making my head hurt and I can't say anything other than "....", "...?", or "...!?", and just stick to wondering just what the fuck Twisty has against art. Did art rape her once or something? Had a bad experience with paint?LabRathttp://www.atomicnerds.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-66800303107034205842009-03-30T11:34:00.000-04:002009-03-30T11:34:00.000-04:00William The Coroner - Noble savage fantasies are f...William The Coroner - Noble savage fantasies are funniest when they're on the computer.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-33154934610916986792009-03-30T11:15:00.000-04:002009-03-30T11:15:00.000-04:00Ah, yes. The noble savage fantasy. The "natural"...Ah, yes. The noble savage fantasy. The "natural" state is pure and good, and any alteration is bad. Well, fuck, botulism and gangrene and cyanide are all natural. Most children are immature savages who have to learn how to play nicely with one another. Otherwise, we're living in a great big, anarchic <I>Lord of the Dance</I>. I'll pass.William the Coronerhttp://www.williamthecoroner.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-6657982896033096252009-03-30T11:06:00.000-04:002009-03-30T11:06:00.000-04:00Anonymous - Babies aren't born without domination ...Anonymous - Babies aren't born without domination either. My experience with kids is that their natural state is "I should have everything I want," and they have to be taught fairness and altruism.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-81886960547796727712009-03-30T10:48:00.000-04:002009-03-30T10:48:00.000-04:00"Throbbing, pulsating with contentment." Oh dear,..."Throbbing, pulsating with contentment." Oh dear, I bet Twisty would be right in guessing what's on my disgusting patriarchal mind now.<BR/><BR/>That's right: brains in jars.<BR/><BR/>I have no idea how she expects anyone to become intellectual giants without being able to pass on accumulated knowledge through culture. As if babies are born perfect geniuses and learning anything only makes them dumber. Baffling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com