tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post7080855912218482331..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Twilight.Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20053078445172383682009-04-05T22:42:00.000-04:002009-04-05T22:42:00.000-04:00@RavenstrikeLaurell K. Hamilton acknowledges that ...@Ravenstrike<BR/><BR/>Laurell K. Hamilton acknowledges that superhuman characters can damage human ones while fucking. There are several comments from her horrible Mary Sue of a main character about how good it is that she has superhuman attributes or she wouldn't be able to handle this superhard fucking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-84943350895132648672009-03-31T12:11:00.000-04:002009-03-31T12:11:00.000-04:00If I remember correctly, in the first book it was ...If I remember correctly, in the first book it was mainly the blood attraction thing stopping him. Of course, she's the only author who's written about vampires that I know of who makes the point that creatures who can crush rocks and tear steel would make dangerous bed partners. Sorta like all those bad jokes about superman sex.ravenshrikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09332584897517801965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-60222752805326302152009-03-29T01:25:00.000-04:002009-03-29T01:25:00.000-04:00i appreciated that PS - there is a huge difference...i appreciated that PS - there is a huge difference even between tribes of the same nation (i'm thinking, like, Lakohta and Mohawk, for instance). i am Cherokee... and people keep trying to ask me if any of my family still on the rez *really* sleep in wig-wams?<BR/>hello!? the Cherokee are originally from GEORGIA!<BR/><BR/>erm... sorry.<BR/><BR/>i had to read these books (i am the pre-reader for my niece) and, well, there is a VERY big deal made about the no-sex thing made in the 3rd books. VERY big.<BR/>and the 4th book is... well. <BR/><BR/>actually, the critiques that i have read that make the most sense are the ones that take Twilight on as Mormon fiction (which i didn't run into until i had read them all). not that the Mormon take is the *only* take.<BR/><BR/>but really, the books are just appalling to me, from a feminist viewpoint. fun, light reads if you don't know much about vampires, werewolves, Native Americans, or Life. so, ok i guess for a 14 year old, in a Romeo-and-Juliet sorta way.denelianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08083149213773118359noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-4156201878641498062009-03-24T21:30:00.000-04:002009-03-24T21:30:00.000-04:00Braaaiiins - Even if he does have the emotional de...Braaaiiins - Even if he does have the emotional development of a 17-year-old (although, in 1918, was that really so far off from adult anyway?), he's still got 108 years of life experience. That ought to count for something.<BR/><BR/>For one thing, if he's the sort of person who can fall in mad love in a week, you'd think all this would've happened about 500 times before.<BR/><BR/>Aaron - Buffy raised some of the same issues, but--in my perception, but fuck it, I'm right--did a much better job of presenting them from the teenagers' point of view. Buffy captured the furtiveness, naughtiness, and eventual regret of dating older men your friends and family don't approve of--<I>Twilight</I> just glosses over these things.<BR/><BR/>LabRat - <I>Twilight</I> actually does specify a tribe and it's a real one, the Quileute. However, most of the details about Quileute mythology and lifestyle are stuff off the top of Stephenie Meyer's head that sounded naturey and spiritual and stuff.<BR/><BR/>Don Gwinn - That casts <I>Return of the Jedi</I> in kind of a disturbing light, now that you mention it.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-91992732017362688212009-03-24T17:37:00.000-04:002009-03-24T17:37:00.000-04:00You indians need to face the fact that you're basi...You indians need to face the fact that you're basically Ewoks and get over it.Donhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15824445546892392815noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-46108531434855225042009-03-24T16:44:00.000-04:002009-03-24T16:44:00.000-04:00Re the Native American thing- oh God yes, that pis...Re the Native American thing- oh God yes, that pisses me off SO HARD. Whenever I hear "native American spirituality/religion" I want to shriek "WHICH ONE GODDAMMIT?!" at the top of my lungs.<BR/><BR/>There are twenty-one tribes in the Pueblos ALONE. They are all DIFFERENT, dammit!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-2416498899127030462009-03-24T16:04:00.000-04:002009-03-24T16:04:00.000-04:00Er, that would be me. Oh my God! Now everyone know...Er, that would be me. Oh my God! Now everyone know my first name. And this is my third comment in a row, and I have a bad habit of not knowing when to stop serial commenting. So this is it, hopefully.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-24282703955756141482009-03-24T16:02:00.000-04:002009-03-24T16:02:00.000-04:00Also, I am now reminded about how funny/creepy it ...Also, I am now reminded about how funny/creepy it was that Buffy spent of her series, including her junior in high school, in relationships with men who were ten-fifteen times older than she was. Not that it was really bothersome, because they, too, kind of acted like teenagers.<BR/><BR/>It's funny to imagine how ludicrously inappropriate it would be for season five Angel (on Angel) to be in a relationship with a seventeen year old.Aaronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12979624885880294842noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-72652529051744566972009-03-24T15:57:00.000-04:002009-03-24T15:57:00.000-04:00A friend who loves these books pretty hard told me...A friend who loves these books pretty hard told me that, in the book, SMeyer explained away some of the weirdness regarding Edward's behavior despite his age with vampires being stuck at whatever emotional/mental stage of development they were when they died.<BR/><BR/>Whatever, still retarded.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20921365856745422382009-03-24T15:52:00.000-04:002009-03-24T15:52:00.000-04:00aebhel is SO RIGHT. It's sad. You really should ...aebhel is SO RIGHT. It's sad. You really should read the books. They're TERRIBLE. My English major soul burned when I read them, which I had to do because I was metaphorically pissing on them so much and people were getting angry that I hadn't. Oh man.<BR/><BR/>Actually, I think it would be hilarious to make Twisty Faster read them. She's so batshit, it would be wonderful.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51915878279940121322009-03-24T14:14:00.000-04:002009-03-24T14:14:00.000-04:00The really tragic part is that the movie is dramat...The really tragic part is that the movie is <I>dramatically</I> better than the book in both story and execution.<BR/><BR/>Seriously. Read it. That woman has a <I>degree in English</I>, you'll either cry or laugh yourself sick.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-75994875831260882832009-03-24T11:10:00.000-04:002009-03-24T11:10:00.000-04:00Tom - Rape or not, I like a lot of vampire stories...Tom - Rape or not, I like a lot of vampire stories because they at least make sense, are fun, and treat the audience respectfully. <I>Twilight</I> isn't rapey, but it's creepy, condescending, and frickin' boring.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-38222190501919451232009-03-24T08:18:00.000-04:002009-03-24T08:18:00.000-04:00Man that's funny, and sad, and creepy. Someone els...Man that's funny, and sad, and creepy. Someone else observed that most vampire stories are elaborate closeted rape fantasies and this one seems to follow suit.<BR/><BR/>I only wish my niece weren't involved with this particular nihilistic fantasy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com