tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post872786998343415759..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Fifty Shades of Grey: Chapter 25.Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-12257934824952806402014-12-24T21:38:42.687-05:002014-12-24T21:38:42.687-05:00I think safewords can provide a nice clarity. Whil...I think safewords can provide a nice clarity. While "no", "don't", and "stop" are all default safewords, you might choose to say "don't stop", which is worlds different from "Don't. Stop!" and people should be able to tell the difference, but there's no room for ambiguity with "red" or so forth, because you aren't going to say, "don't red". And you might want to be able to ask yes or no questions, like, "Am I on your hair?" and then just say, "No." and that doesn't mean stop everything. So, having a term that is purely going to come up when something needs to stop is, I think, of value, whether or not you are doing something kinky. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-10844206808857966562014-12-23T19:50:30.125-05:002014-12-23T19:50:30.125-05:00I guess -- and that this is plausible may simply b...I guess -- and that this is plausible may simply be a consequence of the type of porn I read -- I assume they negotiated off-stage. And I'm not sure Kushiel is porn as I define it (stories all about the sex, and centered on the sex, in which the sex is its own reason for existing).hriðfriðnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20686237247504714212014-12-23T14:23:56.056-05:002014-12-23T14:23:56.056-05:00Aren't princes spoiled, entitled dictators who...Aren't princes spoiled, entitled dictators who can execute you and face no consequences? Maybe she kissed a prince after all. <br />Plus, now I'm thinking that Tudors show was the first '50 Shades of Tudors' that greased the rails to all this madness. The minute you start thinking Henry VIII should be somehow sexy and pouty and not at all resembling an evil, ginger Santa Claus, it is but a short step to Christian Grey. (And didn't they do a movie of Eric Bana playing sex-ay Henry VIII? Why?!Voluptua von Temptitillatrixhttp://www.amazon.com/The-Erotic-Adventures-Vivica-Insatiably-ebook/dp/B00O2VI69Unoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-90864676972899302992014-12-23T14:11:35.299-05:002014-12-23T14:11:35.299-05:00Personally, I've always been a fan of 'he ...Personally, I've always been a fan of 'he fed his Boba Fett into her pocket Sarlacc'. But I can see that might just be me...Voluptua von Temptitillatrixhttp://www.amazon.com/The-Erotic-Adventures-Vivica-Insatiably-ebook/dp/B00O2VI69Unoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-22813054283533402942014-12-23T11:12:52.204-05:002014-12-23T11:12:52.204-05:00Cliiifff! I've been checking in now and again,...Cliiifff! I've been checking in now and again, and it's great to see you back! Glad to hear about the new job, and hope the rest of what's been keeping you busy has been good stuff. <br /><br />Haven't read the books, don't intend to, but thanks to various take-downs around the net, I feel I've gotten the gist. Of the bits you posted above, the moment that was sexy for me was when he grabbed her ponytail to tilt her head back for a kiss. Not even the whole sentence, just that one moment, which could have been so sweet and intense between a happy, consensual couple.<br /><br />SherryHAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-62120137264373938562014-12-21T10:08:01.616-05:002014-12-21T10:08:01.616-05:00Regarding the movie... I see so many people making...Regarding the movie... I see so many people making comments like "well, in a movie, they either have to change lots of stuff or else it will be obvious to everyone that the relationship is abusive and unhealthy", and I'm like "guys, have you SEEN MOVIES before?".<br />Stuff that people watch in movies all the time without realizing that it's NOT FUCKING ROMANTIC: Unhealthy relationship dynamics, outright stalking, sexual harassment, men refusing to take "no" for an answer, in slightly older movies outright rape (luckily, this trope seem to have died out during the last decades, but most people still don't see the problem when they watch older movies where this occur). Just put on soft lighting and romantic music and everyone will interpret what happens as romantic. Jeppssonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05016901164247140438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-60827330094799330662014-12-21T00:25:00.980-05:002014-12-21T00:25:00.980-05:00I pirated the book, and I intend to either pirate ...I pirated the book, and I intend to either pirate the movie or buy a ticket to a different movie and sneak in.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-14651068079606469002014-12-20T21:59:28.466-05:002014-12-20T21:59:28.466-05:00Help me out, pervocracy fans.
My apologies if th...Help me out, pervocracy fans. <br /><br />My apologies if this has already been addressed in a thread somewhere, but I want to see the "50 Shades of Grey" movie. However, I'm starting to feel like I can't throw any more money at E.L. James in good conscience as a feminist. I hesitate to contribute to the market for fiction that promotes the idea that abuse (disguised as BDSM) is romantic or OK in any way.<br /><br />What do you all think?Kierahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03109238995555520343noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-83627184168881875182014-12-20T11:35:14.539-05:002014-12-20T11:35:14.539-05:00These books are so deeply heteronormative I don...These books are so deeply heteronormative I don't think James would even realize she's put in all that slashy subtext. If you told her she'd probably be as shocked as she would be if you told her not all Doms are 'fucked-up'. And don't even mention bi-sexual switches because that would probably make her brain explode.Limbernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-33461323899924196792014-12-19T04:47:38.381-05:002014-12-19T04:47:38.381-05:00LOL what if the song he picked out was "Accid...LOL what if the song he picked out was "Accidental Racist"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-38118679103640551642014-12-18T18:05:26.378-05:002014-12-18T18:05:26.378-05:00Conversely, I don't like it when characters do...Conversely, I don't like it when characters don't set up a safeword in erotic fiction. For me it's as much a character note as anything is; these are people who care enough to set up a safeword, so I already like them better. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-50366234050010850202014-12-18T15:09:57.094-05:002014-12-18T15:09:57.094-05:00She's mixed up "subconscious" with &...She's mixed up "subconscious" with "superego."Irenenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-78362181971004043102014-12-18T08:29:38.472-05:002014-12-18T08:29:38.472-05:00Does James mean 'conscience' by subconscio...Does James mean 'conscience' by subconscious?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-82473517710294505552014-12-18T08:11:20.362-05:002014-12-18T08:11:20.362-05:00I agree that this book is aimed at the sexually re...I agree that this book is aimed at the sexually repressed. I grew up with with sex positive 1970s values and have never understood the notions of sex being dirty or bad. I REALLY don't get how ambivalence, or outright lack of willing is sexy! I can only imagine that if you have been raised NOT to own your sexuality maybe you would find this idea that someone else decides everything *whether you like it or not* to be arousing, or even remotely acceptable. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14403297631439814187noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-74306482003530485712014-12-17T23:53:35.656-05:002014-12-17T23:53:35.656-05:00Right? It would be hilarious if her inner subcons...Right? It would be hilarious if her inner subconscious went to collapse in an armchair, and her inner goddess was already sitting there. And then her inner subconscious tries the loveseat, but it's occupied by her inner sub. And then she realizes she has too goddamn many freeloaders living in her head, and that ugly-ass inner furniture has to go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-41458317340577449812014-12-17T17:40:05.049-05:002014-12-17T17:40:05.049-05:00Some people also deliberately choose safewords tha...Some people also deliberately choose safewords that will interrupt the flow of a scene. Someone blurting "TURNIP" out of nowhere will probably make you stop for a second out of confusion no matter what you're doing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-41389254768363395282014-12-17T17:24:22.533-05:002014-12-17T17:24:22.533-05:00I think that one's down to personal preference...I think that one's down to personal preference, some women like it and others despise it. Personally I'm not a fan - it has a cheesy porn vibe to it - but I do snerk a bit when I see the phrase "wet pussy". Makes me think of a cat taking a bath.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-29369583002964124262014-12-17T14:12:08.706-05:002014-12-17T14:12:08.706-05:00If you have a view that silence is relative, then ...If you have a view that silence is relative, then it makes sense. The hiss of your air compressor leaking is silent when you have a table saw running.armorsmith42https://www.blogger.com/profile/07278742409654932803noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20931302527940367302014-12-17T13:34:15.505-05:002014-12-17T13:34:15.505-05:00You could try going either more vague or more spec...You could try going either more vague or more specific with things. Like, "I felt him enter me and lifted my hips to urge him deeper" or "His touch made me blush from head to toe, and I felt a tingle and a pleasant wetness in my underwear" for vague or "He parted the lips and flicked his tongue once over my clit" for more specific. <br /><br />I'd say that while vagina is one of the more clinical terms (and labia refers to a very specific part of it) you can still use it, just not as your primary word for it. It wouldn't break the mood if you used it sparingly. Also "hole" is always an option.<br /><br />I'm curious though, what's wrong with "pussy"?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-65906825061144415232014-12-17T04:47:15.008-05:002014-12-17T04:47:15.008-05:00Glad to hear you're alive and still kicking! O...Glad to hear you're alive and still kicking! One thing:<br /><br />"Please do this all you like to fictional characters who have been contrived by the author to say "down there" for some goddamn reason."<br /><br />As a budding romance/erotica writer who wants to make sex actually SEXY—as opposed to, say, terrible abusive fanfiction of an already terrible book series—I'm completely lost on the names to use for ladyparts at this point. 'Vagina' and 'labia' and other clinical terms are too clinical, apparently; 'pussy' is out, 'heat' is out, 'grip' or 'tunnel' or 'depths' are out, 'sex' is definitely out, [insert hilariously terrible/weird euphemism] is right out, and... yeah. I know you're not able to please everyone, but are there any (somewhat) acceptable words or descriptors or whatever? Resolutenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-40501265878745919232014-12-16T22:45:52.789-05:002014-12-16T22:45:52.789-05:00“With your stalking capabilities, I thought you mi...<i>“With your stalking capabilities, I thought you might have… ” I trail off as his face falls.“Anastasia, I wouldn’t dream of interfering in your career, unless you ask me to, of course.” He looks wounded.</i><br /><br />Ha. Ha ha ha.<br /><br />Spoiler alert for those who care: this conversation happens on Friday, June 3rd. Ana and Christian break up the next day, which ends 50SoG. <br /><br />50 Shades Darker picks up the following Monday, June 6th. Ana and Christian agree to start dating again that Thursday, June 9th. <br /><br />THE NEXT DAY, JUNE 10, EXACTLY ONE WEEK AFTER THE CONVERSATION ABOVE, Christian reveals that he's in the process of buying the company Ana works for. (He has not mentioned this to her previously, let alone asked if she's comfortable with it, naturally.) This purchase is apparently completed by the following Monday, as Christian is able to request specific tasks from the company's IT department and make financial policy changes to prevent Ana from going on a business trip.<br /><br />(Why yes, I did spend way too long mapping out the timeframe of the first two books from various recaps - the length of time the honeymoon in the third book confuses me and throws me off, although I may still tackle it at some point.)Amatyultarehttp://amatyultare.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-334938013361346502014-12-16T16:18:39.992-05:002014-12-16T16:18:39.992-05:00It's very much on the smug lines of 'I kno...<i> It's very much on the smug lines of 'I know you better than yourself' - would he have actually stopped if she'd safeworded?</i><br /><br />This. A hundred times this.<br /><br />Personal anecdote about this:<br /><br />I ran the hell away from a classmate who propositioned me in college because he responded to my initial ambivalence with "Well, if you need time to think about it, OK, but understand that I'm going to be impatient waiting for your eventual answer <b>because I already know what that answer is going to be.</b>"<br /><br />Bonus points: The reason he knew me better than he knew myself? He'd read <i>Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus.</i> Also he was older than me, and not a virgin. So.<br /><br />Bonus BONUS points: After this conversation he *demanded* that I give him a hug to show that I wasn't scared of him now that he'd said these things.<br /><br />After this conversation, I made 300% sure never to be alone with him, ever. Asked my roommate to hang out with us when we had our study-date. Made no further plans with him. And did not seek to reinitiate contact after we both got back from summer break.<br /><br />Because, by and large, people who make it clear that they think they know you better than you know yourself are BAD NEWS. They cannot be trusted to respect a "No." They cannot be trusted not to respond with, "Oh, you're <i>saying</i> no, but I know you really want it."<br /><br />(There was a fun, smug-making part hiding out in that horrifying conversation: He thought my ambivalence had to do with my never having had sex before and not knowing whether I was ready. He was surprised when I said, "No, what I need to think about is whether I'm into <i>you</i> that way. I'm not at all sure that I am." For all that he was creeping me the fuck out, it was amusing to realize I'd just accidentally deflated his ego a bit.)Nicole J. LeBoeuf-Littlehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08881440862384880232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-32856341558038371172014-12-16T15:25:21.117-05:002014-12-16T15:25:21.117-05:00But anonymous...he's really rich. And has a he...But anonymous...he's really rich. And has a helicopter. You forgot that...Debranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-19895800181026079532014-12-16T14:40:34.114-05:002014-12-16T14:40:34.114-05:00You can check "Cliff's personal Tumblr&qu...You can check "Cliff's personal Tumblr" linked in the sidebar. He writes frequently there, lots of fun stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-30253959814505324212014-12-16T09:27:22.438-05:002014-12-16T09:27:22.438-05:00Every time EL James does that, I spend five minute...Every time EL James does that, I spend five minutes trying to either visualize the subconscious as a physical form or figure out what in hell it would feel like to have your subconscious perform literal actions. Super distracting. I don't think I'd be able to make it through the book if I tried to read it cover to cover. <br /><br />I really wish someone would tell EL James that she can just write "my muscles relaxed and I felt like collapsing into an armchair" instead of trying to offload all Ana's feelings onto her little inner marionette.j_birdnoreply@blogger.com