tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post2662180475876292112..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Let's Read Fifty Shades of Grey! Chapter 10!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-54299415421429999702013-12-30T00:52:48.957-05:002013-12-30T00:52:48.957-05:00Yeah, see, I'm beginning to be as skeptical of...Yeah, see, I'm beginning to be as skeptical of BDSM as I am of PUA, because I was recently dumped for refusing to get bruised. It's nice she respected a hard boundary I have because of a medical issue, it's not nice that I get to be denied intimacy. They get me going and going.Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-21850842600894898422013-12-20T18:39:39.626-05:002013-12-20T18:39:39.626-05:00I didn't know there was such a thing as a &quo...I didn't know there was such a thing as a "make me coffee and then let's cuddle" sub either. That sounds...really incredibly appealing, actually? Thanks, I think I'll be talking to my partner about that. :DAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-66515863912291154882013-12-18T17:01:33.191-05:002013-12-18T17:01:33.191-05:00So...this is just based on my own experience and n...So...this is just based on my own experience and not necessarily a universal thing (though a past therapist has confirmed that this is a thing that people do sometimes), but in my past when I was stuck in abusive situations with partners or family, I often didn't eat, or didn't eat as much, or specifically ate things I wasn't "supposed" to as a way of rebelling/trying to gain some sort of control over some aspect of my life. <br /><br />I feel like it's kind of early in the relationship for Ana to be doing the same thing, but this ongoing food thing in these books *really* reminds me of that time in my life.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-48555029375970705752013-12-17T04:01:10.304-05:002013-12-17T04:01:10.304-05:00Thanks for the belly laugh. :D I'm assuming T...Thanks for the belly laugh. :D I'm assuming Timon is wearing the grass skirt? ;)<br /><br />-FishgoatAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-41248898039248339862013-12-16T18:06:04.396-05:002013-12-16T18:06:04.396-05:00Something that's been bothering me, that I don...Something that's been bothering me, that I don't think anybody else has mentioned yet; it's really dumb of him to be telling her to go do research, in lieu of actually talking to her about what she wants to do. Doing research in addition to talking is awesome, but saying, "you're going to be my submissive. Don't know what that means? Okay, go look it up," is awful, because all submissive means is "I enjoy being obedient to certain other people in certain contexts." I mean, for some subs there is no sex or masochism involved, they just go over once a week and do housekeeping for their Dominant, and then they cuddle for an hour. Being submissive doesn't even mean bottoming; some people quite like ordering someone else to beat them up and fuck them, in this exact specific way. Doing research is a great way to find out the range of options that are out there and how to play safely, but it's a terrible way to find out what your specific Dom under consideration wants you to do. <br /><br />I mean, obviously he has no interest in finding out what she's interested in, because he's an asshole, but you'd think he would be at least slightly invested in her knowing that he expects her to be a "tied up" sub and not a "make me coffee then let's cuddle" sub. But hey, I doubt E. L. James knows there's such a thing as a "make me coffee then let's cuddle" sub. Lanehttp://lanewilliam.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-22007746063185432572013-12-16T09:52:26.477-05:002013-12-16T09:52:26.477-05:00No, clearly not that.
It's been awhile since ...No, clearly not that.<br /><br />It's been awhile since I read the series, but my recollection is that the third book wraps up with them being in a house that they picked out together, with a social network, and a much more rounded out lifestyle. Ana asks for a flogging in a, "Hey, this sounds pretty good right now!" kind of way, and Chunkbutt agrees, so off they go for a scene on mutually agreed terms.<br /><br />Don't get me wrong, I think that this is plenty problematic in that it's based on the narrative "If you just love your abuser hard enough, they'll totally come around!" But the place that kink holds in their lives does shift.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-84104710085417772982013-12-16T05:05:45.168-05:002013-12-16T05:05:45.168-05:00Doesn't this guy ever just speak? He's alw...Doesn't this guy ever just speak? He's always murmuring and stuff. I mean, I get that rich people can have speech impediments too, but that doesn't seem to be what the author had in mind.Amtepnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-70705656820116870482013-12-15T22:58:43.554-05:002013-12-15T22:58:43.554-05:00There's no spoiler rules here, on the principl...There's no spoiler rules here, on the principle that fuck it, it's not like spoiling it is going to make anyone enjoy it less.<br /><br />And yeah, that doesn't sound like a "healthy, mutually pleasurable" thing for damn sure.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20801858073601999362013-12-15T22:47:12.277-05:002013-12-15T22:47:12.277-05:00I hate to give spoilers, but this really bothered ...I hate to give spoilers, but this really bothered me so ****spoiler alert****<br /><br />When is that? You mean like on their honeymoon when she seems to be enjoying the kink but then discovers afterwards that he covered her from head to toe in hickeys or you know...really just straight up bruises, along with rope burns around her hands and ankles, all because she had the audacity to take her bikini top off whilst on the French Riviera. That'll show her, right? Now she can't even go out in public at all.<br /><br />Nope. Abuse, all the way through...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-62101076085186247762013-12-15T20:58:45.843-05:002013-12-15T20:58:45.843-05:00I'm pretty much unable to read Jose's line...I'm pretty much unable to read Jose's lines without picturing him as Bumblebee Guy from the Simpsons. The Woeful Budgiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11229631544630471630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-25522356175651085172013-12-15T19:30:09.589-05:002013-12-15T19:30:09.589-05:00I was having a hard time consistently visualizing ...I was having a hard time consistently visualizing Ana's inner goddess and subconscious until someone on the internet suggested that the inner goddess is Timon and the subconscious is Pumbaa.<br /><br />Source: http://ireadterriblethings.tumblr.com/post/32148148518/fifty-shades-of-grey-chapter-14j_birdnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-78394606290295822402013-12-15T17:42:36.196-05:002013-12-15T17:42:36.196-05:00Spoilers re: The abuse/kink/sexy question...
If y...Spoilers re: The abuse/kink/sexy question...<br /><br />If you make it all the way through the third book, they end up in a place where kink is a casual, occasionally-just-for-mutual-funsies part of their relationship. Some of the story arc is watching how kink starts as a driven-by-abuse thing, and develops into a healthy, mutually pleasurable, integrated-but-not-central part of their relationship. And yeah, the books do a pretty terrible job of making that transition, but it does come around to a better place than just the first book would lead you to believe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-25352579051001425722013-12-15T15:33:16.768-05:002013-12-15T15:33:16.768-05:00I also think the food thing is some sort of "...I also think the food thing is some sort of "Most men don't want their women to eat and get fat, so the fact that Studs McMuffinpants WANTS Ana to eat proves he loves her and wants her to be healthy" bullshit.Debranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20801968023069916332013-12-15T14:29:30.688-05:002013-12-15T14:29:30.688-05:00Right, I was going to say, I haven't read the ...Right, I was going to say, I haven't read the books, but simply looking at the section above, she seems to have a fine and reasonable appetite whenever Beefsteak isn't jumping down on her about it. In fact, if she *is* anorexic, food policing her and generally subjecting her to stressful emotional experiences is like, the worst fucking strategy imaginable. <br />Why, it's almost like the only reason he does it is as another means of abuse and control, except this one is presented as him "caring for her," which is just a means to gaslight her and make her think that, no, really, he loves her, so this other stuff is okay. Or something.<br />JGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02049116849449818474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-47532228181844442132013-12-15T08:14:24.159-05:002013-12-15T08:14:24.159-05:00We don't pile on newbies around here unless th...We don't pile on newbies around here unless they do something spectacularly shittastic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-39630986793898146052013-12-15T07:23:46.766-05:002013-12-15T07:23:46.766-05:00It was actually on this blog, in the comments ;) It was actually on this blog, in the comments ;) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-63632921300704723432013-12-14T23:35:24.991-05:002013-12-14T23:35:24.991-05:00I've read other reviews that floated the theor...I've read other reviews that floated the theory that Ana has an eating disorder. However, when I read the books it came off more as a power struggle. As he exerts more and more control over her life, Ana responds by becoming increasingly reticent about eating food. It's the only part of their relationship that she can control and it drives him bug-fuck crazy. When he's not around, she has a pretty healthy appetite. You can see the way it plays out in the bit that Cliff quoted upstream.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-56106178355459344092013-12-14T23:04:22.091-05:002013-12-14T23:04:22.091-05:00And actually yeah, doing a quick google to see if ...And actually yeah, doing a quick google to see if I was right, this link lists individual instances of Ana having issues with food, and it does add up to her barely eating, resisting food and having a habit of losing her appetite in extreme ways when she's under any emotional... anything...<br /><br />http://iam.yellingontheinternet.com/2012/12/31/problems-with-food-in-50-shades-book-1/Bunnyhttp://uristmcdorf.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-46291303195401086242013-12-14T22:57:06.210-05:002013-12-14T22:57:06.210-05:00Thanks, I was actually kind of confused by that.Thanks, I was actually kind of confused by that.little_vicioushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05593998769450234195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-17197345195551407092013-12-14T22:52:15.951-05:002013-12-14T22:52:15.951-05:00So, this might be my brain imagining memories, but...So, this might be my brain imagining memories, but I'm sure I read somewhere that the eating thing was a not-terribly-subtle hint that Ana has an eating disorder. Coupled with the author deciding to throw subtext out the window and go right ahead and call the character with the eating disorder "Ana" in the first place.<br /><br />But then I haven't read the book myself, so this is at best third-hand theorising from something I half remember reading on the internet and at worst entirely invented by my own terrible memory.Bunnyhttp://uristmcdorf.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-60535428384966372502013-12-14T22:16:05.674-05:002013-12-14T22:16:05.674-05:00(For new readers: Eurosabra has been posting weird...(For new readers: Eurosabra has been posting weird creepy defenses of PUA on this blog for <i>years</i>. This is no first-time-poster pile-on.)Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-40330412729691171472013-12-14T22:14:55.112-05:002013-12-14T22:14:55.112-05:00No, you're not technically banned, just deeply...No, you're not technically banned, just deeply unwelcome, and the fact that that distinction is important to you speaks of how much business you have doing non-consensual kink with a sex-tourist mentality.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51445275673825372512013-12-14T21:47:19.607-05:002013-12-14T21:47:19.607-05:00Cliff's mention of PUA activated the sleaze-si...Cliff's mention of PUA activated the sleaze-signal. I generally lurk, but read this whole blog. PUA is non-consensual kink with bare glimmers of self-awareness among the best practitioners, who know they have a really irritating sex-tourist mentality.<br />Still not banned here yet, but very careful when I do post.<br />Eurosabranoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-483238894409898842013-12-14T21:47:17.314-05:002013-12-14T21:47:17.314-05:00How young your memories start and how much you rem...How young your memories start and how much you remember from young childhood varies a lot from individual to individual. My own go back to about age two, some of which are significant and some are just insignificant moments that somehow stuck. So, it is definitely possible for a character to remember and still be upset about an incident or incidents before age four. Although not having worked through any traumas enough to be making significant progress on issues it caused, especially when you can easily afford good therapists (it can be a lot harder if you can't), does not speak well of the person. I would have sympathy for such a person, but would tell them that until they can resolve such issues within themselves, they clearly are not ready to be in a relationship with someone else, since they are taking it out on that other person in a very unhealthy way. So, Christian Grey is vaguely possible, but rather pathetic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-91947377818895856922013-12-14T21:32:24.576-05:002013-12-14T21:32:24.576-05:00"I bet you twenty Inner Goddesses that it tur..."I bet you twenty Inner Goddesses that it turns out Buff SteakTips secretly pulled strings to get Ana those interviews, and this will be presented as a wonderful and caring thing, instead of yet another way he puts her in debt to him and takes over her life."<br /><br />Oh dear non-existent god. It's so much worse than that...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com