tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post3288340574913229124..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Cosmocking: UK Cosmo!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-39617465584668382082012-07-02T02:13:25.312-04:002012-07-02T02:13:25.312-04:00I think feminism means ensuring that men and women...I think feminism means ensuring that men and women are equal- economically, socially, legally, etc. So fighting anti-amle sexism, where it exists, seems to me to be part of that goal. I think fighting sexism is a big part of being a feminist, and sexism against men is part of that. sticking to traditional, heteronormative gender roles keeps both women and men down, although women to a greater extent because of the submissive nature of our assigned role. so i definitely have to disagree with you there - narrowing feminism's role to only combating female-targeted sexism seems short-sighted, because it's all related and all connected in the long run. Everyone is freer when everyone is freer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-91798376437209632132012-03-17T10:19:44.745-04:002012-03-17T10:19:44.745-04:00Actually this is unusual, normally UK Cosmo is wor...Actually this is unusual, normally UK Cosmo is worse (for a while I used to read both). While they're Ok with you asking your partner what he wants they don't think you ought to communicate your desires back, and moreover if you don't get off on whatever he feels like doing you're a failure who is doing sex wrong. Also they tend to have sex tips like "stare into each others eyes instead of foreplay" and "men are more visually aroused and women are aroused by fantasies, so imagine a romantic beach or a really expensive hotel room," implying that real women can get turned on by love and money rather than, you know, sexy sexual dirty men-only things.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-86228122383928926792010-04-08T10:06:35.244-04:002010-04-08T10:06:35.244-04:00Concern with how people should be treated is the c...Concern with how <b>people</b> should be treated is the concern of, I don't know, "personism." If equality had been achieved generations I'd say there should be no shame in policing it in regards to one gender in particular; how much more so when there is not, in fact, equality.<br /><br />Again, I'm not saying no one, or even no women, should be concerned with the sexist victimization of men wherever that occurs, just that it needn't be the concern of feminism as a movement. There may well be inequalities in, say, family court that disadvantage men, but it's not up to feminists-qua-feminists to fix it.Hershele Ostropolerhttp://deweydecimate.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-62208576894103583132010-04-08T02:56:02.080-04:002010-04-08T02:56:02.080-04:00. . . Man, UK Cosmo actually sounds pretty cool.. . . Man, UK Cosmo actually sounds pretty cool.Beatricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08773459487771412690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-27186552799285839582010-04-06T21:34:47.842-04:002010-04-06T21:34:47.842-04:00Theis - I don't think it's fair to say tha...Theis - I don't think it's fair to say that as long as women are oppressed, nothing bad can happen to men. Maybe there can't be reverse "sexism" or "racism" exactly, but there can definitely be hateful speech and acts against men and whites and those are not okay.<br /><br />To be honest I don't file things into "feminist" and "not feminist" in my mind--it's more "good" and "not good," and habitually depicting men as useless, whether it harms men or women or both, is Not Good.<br /><br />Likewise, with that essay you posted: it says to me that slurs against blacks are <i>worse</i> than "honky", that black people's treatment in general is worse, and that a white person going around saying "but the <i>real</i> problem here is reverse racism" is a jerk... but all this doesn't make "honky" okay. It makes it a lesser priority of Not Good thing, but still Not Good.<br /><br />Hershele - As I kind of said above, I don't know if feminism should be concerned with how men should be treated, but <i>people</i> should be.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-56338922294493060882010-04-06T16:07:56.316-04:002010-04-06T16:07:56.316-04:00I don't think women should fight anti-male sex...I don't think women should fight anti-male sexism.<br /><br />Let me back up. I don't think feminism should fight anti-male sexism. Feminism, it seems to me, exists to overcome and neutralize and vanquish anti-female sexism. Anti-ale sexism is outside that sphere. Feminism certainly shouldn't embrace or endorse anti-male sexism -- it's not zero-sum, misandrist things aren't automatically feminist, nor vice versa. But when a man complains to feminism about anti-male sexism, feminism is well within its rights to say "that's terrible, someone really should do something about it."<br /><br />Notice I said "feminism," not "feminists." Feminists are individuals, of course, and some of them may also want to fight anti-male sexism (if, as Theis noted, they can find any), but that doesn't make fighting anti-male sexism feminism, any more than a feminist sitting on a chair makes sitting feminist.Hershele Ostropolerhttp://deweydecimate.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-76116973569551776732010-04-06T12:59:25.082-04:002010-04-06T12:59:25.082-04:00I meant to include a link with my last comment:
h...I meant to include a link with my last comment:<br /><br />http://mustardseedblog.com/2006/12/30/honky-want-a-cracker-a-look-at-the-myth-of-reverse-racism/Theisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-65279891771791053602010-04-06T12:52:13.496-04:002010-04-06T12:52:13.496-04:00The problem I have with a lot of this so-called &q...The problem I have with a lot of this so-called "anti-male" stuff is how so often it's another way of keeping the status quo and doesn't actually bother men whatsoever, except for when they want the chance to shout "double standards!", usually to stop women airing genuine concerns. You know, "what about the menz" and all that.<br /><br />When men are portrayed as being a bit useless, it's with the idea that women should just accept this and let them continue to not do housework, not take care of their kids, etc, and generally carry on being as sexist as they please. It's okay, because at least we women all know we're actually soooo much smarter than the men, ha ha ha, who needs feminism anymore, right?<br /><br />When women are portrayed as being a bit useless, it's with the idea that they need to be policed for their own good because they can't be trusted to make any rational decisions for themselves.<br /><br />If this so called double standard actually bothered men, they would be doing something about it. They're not.<br /><br />It's almost as funny as when white people go on about "reverse racism".<br /><br />On a more positive note... the free gifts with magazines here are often actually pretty good.Theisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-49870258873235651942010-04-06T09:42:15.963-04:002010-04-06T09:42:15.963-04:00I wonder how much of the difference is due to the ...I wonder how much of the difference is due to the difference in the magazine industry between the US and the UK. "Lad mags" aside, as I haven't actually read any, the specialty mags (in my case, science fiction and gaming) seem much more comprehensive, invested in their subject, invested in writing about it well, and much less about being a vehicle for advertisements. (They still have them, of course, but they tend not to be beholden to them in the same way. I've never seen an American magazine give a 1-star rating to a book that's being advertised in that issue.)jfpbookwormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845037337646489772noreply@blogger.com