tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post3885483106816033900..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: The results are in!Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-71565762533690739462011-08-02T12:01:41.606-04:002011-08-02T12:01:41.606-04:00I think that a lot of the survey seemed to skew, a...I think that a lot of the survey seemed to skew, as several have already pointed out, toward the target audience. I've read Cosmo on a couple of occasions. My ex was an avid reader, and she encouraged me to read them in order to understand "how women think" and to become more sensitive as a man to "the female perspective" (her words). This is one of many reasons she's now my ex, but I digress.<br /><br />Most of the crap that I've read in there seems to be obsessed with superficial, useless garbage, and the remainder seems to be written by someone who thinks they have the "inside track" on how the other gender thinks.<br /><br />I went out and purchased a copy of Women's Health for my fiancee a while back, because she had been reading a couple of my issues of Men's Health, liked the layout and approach to the subjects, and thought it would be great to read more along a similar vein directed a little bit more at women. I got her one issue, she got about twenty pages in, threw it across the room, walked over to retrieve it, and went looking for a lighter to give it a proper sendoff.<br /><br />I get the misogyny in men's media. I see it, and I know it's a factor for you to have to deal with in the world of feminism. But in the name of all that is holy, how do you not pull your hair out over being constantly betrayed in your endeavours by other women on a regular basis?MattGnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-51024678541769955942011-08-01T01:24:43.916-04:002011-08-01T01:24:43.916-04:00Ugh, the sexual indiscretion thing rly bugs me too...Ugh, the sexual indiscretion thing rly bugs me too -_- It reminds me of when former Saskatchewan Roughriders' GM, Eric Tillman sexually assaulted his 16 y/o babysitter, and then plead to it (and the judge gave him an absolute discharge cuz he said Tillman seemed like a "generally good person", but that's another issue >_>), on the radio they referred to it as a "sexual indiscretion" as if, he had just had an affair or something. >_<;;Ami Angelwingshttp://ami-rants.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-65500610909454980362011-07-31T21:36:34.608-04:002011-07-31T21:36:34.608-04:00mythago - Considering this was done on a computer ...mythago - Considering this was done on a computer I would be very surprised if they just made up a bunch of numbers as that would probably take more effort than simply having the computer compile the results, which it could do in seconds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-72791222786500871442011-07-31T15:08:57.919-04:002011-07-31T15:08:57.919-04:00I think it's pretty optimistic to assume that ...I think it's pretty optimistic to assume that they actually counted the survey responses and reported accurately, instead of just throwing them out and making up a bunch of numbers, which is much easier.<br /><br />I would also guess the Magic Slut Number is calculated the way most people think of terms like "slut": figure out how many people I would be OK with having slept with, add a bit margin on top of that, and anything more than that = Dire Slut.mythagohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07138471078836187498noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-33947726187278131972011-07-31T08:30:16.387-04:002011-07-31T08:30:16.387-04:00@ozy - point, point. I suppose adding "his lo...@ozy - point, point. I suppose adding "his low libido" is too much to ask?<br /><br />(um. not that there's anything wrong with being a guy with a low libido. but that kind of thing can cause tension in a relationship, is all.)the_ragnaroknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-13750537902132886432011-07-30T19:19:13.125-04:002011-07-30T19:19:13.125-04:00@Perverse Cowgirl -
That makes a lot of sense. ...@Perverse Cowgirl - <br /><br />That makes a lot of sense. I can't picture cosmo editors wanting to know what women think of patriarchal institutions, though.Emmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-23341123382353976382011-07-30T18:37:05.231-04:002011-07-30T18:37:05.231-04:00the_ragnarok: But then they'd interpret all th...the_ragnarok: But then they'd interpret all the higher-libido women who answered "his libido" as complaining about their partner's high libido. No winning with stereotypes.Ozymandiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410555827569922830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-89027622207966423452011-07-30T18:10:00.743-04:002011-07-30T18:10:00.743-04:00So this is probably a minor thing in the SEA OF SU...So this is probably a minor thing in the SEA OF SUCKAGE that is the questionnaire, but...<br />"His overzealous sexual appetite" as an answer to "If you could change one thing about your boyfriend/husband, what would it be?" <br />Because women who have a higher libido than their male partner don't exist. Would it have killed them to just say "his libido"?the_ragnaroknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-69608992038602742562011-07-30T12:14:51.617-04:002011-07-30T12:14:51.617-04:00Emma: when I was young and militant and told every...Emma: when I was young and militant and told everyone I "didn't believe in marriage," what I actually meant was that I didn't believe two people can be together in the long term and be <i>happy</i>...with a side order of "Marriage is a patriarchal institution and means a guy <i>owns</i> me so fuck that."<br /><br />These may not be the things around which a Cosmo girl orients her belief (or lack thereof) in marriage, but it's <i>a</i> definition, so I thought I'd throw it out there.perversecowgirlhttp://www.perversecowgirl.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-25276012682733841832011-07-30T03:47:48.419-04:002011-07-30T03:47:48.419-04:00Also I'm so sick of people "believing in ...Also I'm so sick of people "believing in marriage." I mean it obviously <i>exists</i>. What does that even mean? Is it code for anti- gay marriage? Code for supporting gay marriage? Code for wanting to get married really badly but just not getting the proposal?Emmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-40143846750099085972011-07-30T02:25:50.037-04:002011-07-30T02:25:50.037-04:00Holly: that's the other thing that bugs me! A...Holly: that's the other thing that bugs me! A kind-of friend on OKCupid did a journal post once about the qualities he'd want in a woman. One of these qualities was that her "magic number" be less than ten. His reasoning was that a woman with a higher number surely has issues with self-esteem. And if she needed validation from so many guys <i>that badly</i>, why, how would she ever be able to date a guy long-term and not cheat on him?<br /><br />I yelled at him a little bit. I mean, first off, having a bunch of sex doesn't inherently mean that someone's messed up in the head. Secondly, having a bunch of sex because you <i>were</i> messed up in the head <i>doesn't mean you still are</i>.<br /><br />I had kind of a slutty period in my early 20s, and most of that sex happened for unhealthy reasons. But I learned from it and became a much more stable person. If I'd forced myself to be all chaste and shit, I would've missed out on some valuable life lessons and possibly never worked through those emotional issues.<br /><br />Also, all that random sex made me <i>more</i> content with monogamy later on, not less. "Sowing my wild oats," etc., etc.perversecowgirlhttp://www.perversecowgirl.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-13965337655420896862011-07-30T00:18:11.616-04:002011-07-30T00:18:11.616-04:00perversecowgirl - I also note that sluttiness is a...perversecowgirl - I also note that sluttiness is an irreversible condition. If someone has a ton of casual sex in their twenties, then gets married at 28 and is monogamous and now they're 50... are they <i>still</i> a slut?Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-18599473966711624012011-07-29T23:59:03.451-04:002011-07-29T23:59:03.451-04:00I am shocked and offended that I don't count a...I am shocked and offended that I don't count as a slut now. I've had casual sex! I've had a one-night-stand! I haven't been fully celibate for more than a week since January! I'm trying to hook up with a girl from Craiglist! WHAT DO YOU PEOPLE WANT.Ozymandiashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08410555827569922830noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-85797013416048007382011-07-29T22:48:51.662-04:002011-07-29T22:48:51.662-04:00Did you notice? On the "how many partners mak...Did you notice? On the "how many partners makes a woman slutty" question, the womens' version says "slut" but the mens' says "sexually promiscuous." (And seriously, ther is no Magical Slut Number. There can't be! Different people are different!)<br /><br />Yeah, the questions should have been EXACTLY THE SAME, with non-gender-specific words like "significant other." I'm kind of upset that I didn't get to answer most of the interesting questions the men had. Instead, I was asked stupid shit about shoes.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-88535365893225154922011-07-29T22:48:30.675-04:002011-07-29T22:48:30.675-04:00Today I learned that -1% of women would change the...Today I learned that -1% of women would change their partner's sense of humor, believe women should pay for all dates, and plan to start a family in their mid 40s.<br /><br />Meanwhile a whopping -2% of men believe women start losing their looks at 18.<br /><br />I so learned there's such a thing as a negative percentage, apparently.Anonymous Trollnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-28795364734823278352011-07-29T22:00:43.721-04:002011-07-29T22:00:43.721-04:00Love this: "the methods here are as sensible ...Love this: "the methods here are as sensible as me doing a headcount in my house and determining that Boston is 100% white, 100% employed, 66% male, and 33% people who replace the toilet paper roll when they finish it." Sadly, this is true of many "Official" studies as well!Sexy Sweepstakeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12109082077627279508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-68418174214307312402011-07-29T18:51:46.410-04:002011-07-29T18:51:46.410-04:00I think the key difference between the men's a...I think the key difference between the men's and women's question about marriage isn't the size of the words. Notice that the phrasing of the question implies that marriage is something women WANT to do, but men HAVE to do. "I will support this institution" rather than "I am actually excited about marrying this person."<br /><br />In other words, same old shit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-38246905346275573002011-07-29T17:22:28.626-04:002011-07-29T17:22:28.626-04:00I know this is already not a shining example of re...I know this is already not a shining example of research methods, but I also want to point out how ambiguously worded some of the questions are. "FOR WOMEN, WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING IS THE ULTIMATE STATUS SYMBOL?" could be asking what the respondent thinks other women in general use for status, or it could be what status the respondent herself wants. Those are too totally different things! In the first case, you're going to get a lot of stereotypes, and probably only one or two big answers. If you ask about what each respondent wants, you're going to get everything from having all the regulars at the bar know your name to winning a surfing competition.Emmanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-73540943229331098682011-07-29T16:20:11.011-04:002011-07-29T16:20:11.011-04:00"and 33% people who replace the toilet paper ..."and 33% people who replace the toilet paper roll when they finish it."<br /><br />Ohh, burn!<br /><br />Regarding the differences in the types of questions asked to men vs. women: I am constantly amazed at how women don't lose their shit when they see this.Charliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06582002690213501584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-17212966066762797032011-07-29T16:19:50.257-04:002011-07-29T16:19:50.257-04:00Yeah, what IS up with the magical slut number? Asi...Yeah, what IS up with the magical slut number? Aside from the fact that, you know, there isn't actually anything wrong with having a lot of partners, it sort of...lacks context. For example, I am right around the men's answer for when one becomes a slut, but if you divide it by # years having sex, it comes out to less than 2 per year. So, am I a slut, AskMen/Cosmo? Although really, the fact that I even feel the need to ask that question is stupid, because the whole premise is stupid.<br /><br />Also, re: Status symbols for women. I was SO MAD "career' wasn't on there. (Yes, I did take the survey, Mostly so I could bitch at them in the comments box at the end.) I mean, I know Cosmos at least tends to go for the sexist, gender essentialist bullshit, but...Seriously? What world do they live in?<br /><br />That said, I am pleased that the majority of people mostly gave the least offensive answers, even if the sample isn't really representative of anything other than Cosmo readers.theLaplaceDemonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-74378034378919670752011-07-29T15:05:17.352-04:002011-07-29T15:05:17.352-04:00Just to be clear, I don't believe in slut-sham...Just to be clear, I don't believe in slut-shaming at all...but if I did, it seems stupid to ascribe sluttiness to some arbitrary number of partners. <br /><br />First off, as someone said above, is that Magical Slut Number supposed to be the number of partners someone's had in their <i>entire life</i>, or by a certain age, or what?<br /><br />Secondly, when people talk about someone being a "slut", they usually seem to be referring to someone who takes sex very casually; someone who sleeps with people zie just met or people zie doesn't love. What does that have to do with numbers, exactly? If you go by an arbitrary "slut number," a twenty-year-old who's only ever fucked two people - but it was simultaneously, on the dance floor of a club, fifteen minutes after they all met - is Not a Slut while a seventy-year-old who got married at 20 as a virgin, divorced at 40, and had a handful or two of serious relationships after that is A Giant Slut.<br /><br />Hell, I had a while where my numbers were rackin' up pretty good, and it wasn't at all because I was casual about sex or carving notches in my bedpost; I just kept dating guys who I really liked and thought there might be a future with but then it didn't work out.perversecowgirlhttp://www.perversecowgirl.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-78902535112904974212011-07-29T14:52:11.344-04:002011-07-29T14:52:11.344-04:00It has been pointed out to me that Congressman Gig...It has been pointed out to me that Congressman Giggle was behaving not just inapproporiately but in a way that compromised women's access to leaders in Washington in a way men's access was not compromised. So not only would I not put Schwarzenegger and Edwards in the same category as DSK, I'm not sure I'd put them in the same category as Weiner either.Hershele Ostropolernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-54822424508498665562011-07-29T14:20:01.115-04:002011-07-29T14:20:01.115-04:00I mis-read the status symbol question as saying &q...I mis-read the status symbol question as saying "a beautiful horse" and then I was very confused.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-61361545076376752762011-07-29T13:57:35.867-04:002011-07-29T13:57:35.867-04:00Anon - Yeah, there's not much accounting for a...Anon - Yeah, there's not much accounting for age here. Although they didn't release the demographic statistics, the number of single people and people with children suggests we're looking at early-twenties, when having 20 partners is a bit less common.<br /><br />And I agree; it's not unreasonable to ask women about their plans for a family, but it's funny/horrible that it was counterpointed against a question about Serious Man Business.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-47541640858968146872011-07-29T13:54:38.466-04:002011-07-29T13:54:38.466-04:00I have no idea why 10 or 20 partners would make an...I have no idea why 10 or 20 partners would make anyone a slut. I'm 36 years old and I've had about 20 partners, give or take (you lose track after a while). I'd assume that as I age that number could go up. Is it 10 partners a year? 10 partners over a lifetime?<br /><br />Anyway, it's not an unreasonable question to ask a woman at what age she wants to share her body and devote most of her time to nurturing progeny. They simply should have asked men the same question - and asked women the Obama question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com