tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post8135368722477354027..comments2024-03-22T05:55:48.117-04:00Comments on The Pervocracy: Mars, Venus, Bullshit.Cliff Pervocracyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-83761864201756854892014-01-17T01:30:06.586-05:002014-01-17T01:30:06.586-05:00I know this entry is from years ago, but I just ha...I know this entry is from years ago, but I just had to comment on it. As a reader of fantasy, fairy tales, and history, that story of the knight and the princesses bugs the shit out of me on so many levels.<br /><br />Fantasy-reader: If these princesses already had the noose and poison while they were being menaced by dragons, why didn't they use the items themselves?<br />Fairy Tale reader: The notion of fairy tale princesses being nothing but damsels in distress is actually a modern one. Many old stories featured heroines who solved problems using wits and magic, or actively helped the hero in some way.<br />History reader: A medieval nobleman's wife was supposed to be knowledgeable in statecraft and medicine as well as any other skills she might need to run a fully-staffed castle. If the prince's parents heard that he'd rejected the two eligible ladies who showed some brains in favour of the one who didn't, they'd slap him upside the head.<br /><br />Aside from these complains and the factor of how stupid it is to value masculine ego over remaining un-barbequed, I have the urge to strap John Gray into one of those <i>Clockwork Orange</i>-style viewing rigs and make him watch the 1981 movie <i>Dragonslayer</i>. It features a naive princess (though she's educated -- Gray wouldn't like that), but its hero chooses instead the smart, practical girl whose assistance is crucial to him not getting roasted -- and this is <i>before</i> (rot13 for spoilers) gur cevaprff aboyl ohg fghcvqyl fnpevsvprf urefrys gb gur qentba.ShifterCathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15809259695603464596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-31975779199189613852013-08-15T06:08:13.654-04:002013-08-15T06:08:13.654-04:00Fucking loved this.Fucking loved this.Batmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11946042783301752494noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-53398215985558440822011-09-19T23:21:09.093-04:002011-09-19T23:21:09.093-04:00""If you're going to say "women...""If you're going to say "women are feelers and men are {doers}" (bullshit anyway), you can't follow it up by implying that feeling isn't important, or you're basically dismissing everything women say."<br /><br />Somewhere I heard, and I can't remember where, that it's important to remember that we're not "human doers" or "human feelers" but "human beings." So, you know, "men are feelers and women are doers" does go back to the fundamental point of the book:<br /><br />Neither men nor women are human.superglucosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18398359404946835540noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-61738023898356313172011-01-26T16:01:20.331-05:002011-01-26T16:01:20.331-05:00I do believe this post just made my day. I, too, h...I do believe this post just made my day. I, too, have the masochistic habit of picking up things that I know will make me angry. I guess I understand how it might work for some people who prefer to return to 1950s-era gender roles, but to assume that it would work for everyone is simply absurd. The parts about pretending to listen to a woman are demeaning and ridiculously misogynistic. Nay, these stereotypes are harmful to everyone, men, women, transgendereds, and everyone in between. I know that as someone who identifies as genderqueer, I could never operate within the cartoonishly simple, dichotomized world of John Grey. Thanks for posting. Keep ranting :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-30557604039461334172009-11-25T06:16:07.840-05:002009-11-25T06:16:07.840-05:00Holly
I've been reading your blog for ... two...Holly<br /><br />I've been reading your blog for ... two days now, catching up on the archives ... and in general I agree with you and like the day you think ... BUT ... you're wrong.<br /><br />Just because you are enlightened in a certain way, and you expect that from your partners, does not mean the rest of the world also is.<br /><br />From your point of view, it's bullshit. Sure. But many people out there do work just like the book says.<br /><br />Case in point being Labrat's recent post on Stingray heing ... well, a well balanced guy in my books. The mere fact that she highlights this as a Good Thing implies that there are many guys out there who are not like that.<br /><br />Let them read the book :-) And delete this post, no need for it on your blog.wrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14102470737392693528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-46374692034619008682008-02-26T17:39:00.000-05:002008-02-26T17:39:00.000-05:0035. Wash before having sex or put on a cologne if ...35. Wash before having sex or put on a cologne if she likes that.<BR/><I>Okay, washing before sex is not "scoring points." It is "being allowed to have sex."</I><BR/><BR/>Ha ha ha! My new favorite blog! Until someone else entertains me, which could be in a few minute. <BR/><BR/>Also, cologne is not an alternative to "washing". Ew.Bianca Reaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04367735763877953363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-79207863903411588912008-02-25T19:51:00.000-05:002008-02-25T19:51:00.000-05:00So, the mens can score points with the womens by o...So, the mens can score points with the womens by offering to change a light globe and sharpening the knives.<BR/><BR/>How about, change the damn light globe without making a dirty great huge production about it. Hm?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-47329906520297530262008-02-25T13:57:00.000-05:002008-02-25T13:57:00.000-05:00Quoting holly: "If you're going to say "women are ...Quoting holly: <BR/><BR/>"If you're going to say "women are feelers and men are problem-solvers" (bullshit anyway), you can't follow it up by implying that feeling isn't important, or you're basically dismissing everything women say."<BR/><BR/>Wow. Brilliant! That just made a light bulb go on over my head.Tobeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766767971739035215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-14091301481780883842008-02-25T12:45:00.000-05:002008-02-25T12:45:00.000-05:00This blog post rocked my Monday morning and I just...This blog post rocked my Monday morning and I just wanted you to know that you were inspiration for a post of mine as well-- and I link to you! :)<BR/><BR/>tobestalks.blogspot.com/2008/02/youve-got-racism-in-my-sexism.htmlTobeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04766767971739035215noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-20117965323668044962008-02-24T15:53:00.000-05:002008-02-24T15:53:00.000-05:00I look forward to more reviews - I always love you...I look forward to more reviews - I always love your cosmocking.<BR/><BR/>The problem with books like these is that they justify non-communication because the end message is that men and women are separate species with very little common ground.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-54442124368500513782008-02-23T16:54:00.000-05:002008-02-23T16:54:00.000-05:00Dorkie - Yeesh. Maybe she hadn't gotten to the kn...Dorkie - Yeesh. Maybe she hadn't gotten to the knight story (and all the million "support your husband no matter how martyred and dishonest you have to be!" suggestions) yet when she said that.<BR/><BR/>Aebhel - You're right, and I'd add that not only do guys talk feelings and women talk practicalities, but when women <I>are</I> talking about their feelings, it's not okay for men to dismiss it as background noise.<BR/><BR/>If you're going to say "women are feelers and men are problem-solvers" (bullshit anyway), you can't follow it up by implying that feeling isn't important, or you're basically dismissing <I>everything</I> women say.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-28376321568162350342008-02-23T16:42:00.000-05:002008-02-23T16:42:00.000-05:00My mother is a full-time housewife and has been si...My mother is a full-time housewife and has been since I was a toddler. I cannot imagine advice less applicable to how she and my father actually run their marriage, just to weigh in from that perspective.<BR/><BR/>I've never understood the notion that men talk to solve problems and women talk to 'share feelings'. I mean, I rant, sure, but so does my fiance and if I say 'Honey, I can't find my car keys,' I don't want him to validate my feelings, I want him to <I>tell me where the damn keys are.</I>aebhelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18006850110550108753noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-55377063641722772122008-02-22T16:51:00.000-05:002008-02-22T16:51:00.000-05:00Funny you should mention this book. my mother jus...Funny you should mention this book. my mother just began reading it and last time I was home I over heard her talking about it to one of her friends:<BR/>"Oh my god, this book is so insightful."<BR/><BR/>My mother and father just celebrated their 24th wedding anniversary. Yet this book is totally going to improve their marriage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-38360376110609905122008-02-22T11:44:00.000-05:002008-02-22T11:44:00.000-05:00Bruno - 1. My grandparents were in their seventies...Bruno - 1. My grandparents were in their seventies when it came out. The copyright is 1992, it's not an artifact of another era.<BR/><BR/>(Also, my dad's mom worked in a bio lab and my mom's mom was a CPA, and they both would've bitten the head off anyone who told them their talents were better suited to chipped beef casserole. But that's just us.)<BR/><BR/>But even assuming a Happy Housewife, it's still bad advice because the core of it is "your partner is another species and cannot be dealt with directly." I don't care who wears the apron, that's still pointless bullshit.<BR/><BR/><BR/>2. Thank you! You rule back! I've already got several other books I know I'll hate on reserve, so you can anticipate much more "I came into this book with a totally closed mind... and it sucks!" bitchery on the way.Cliff Pervocracyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02080142422250604406noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2770580070906411828.post-160475718587664472008-02-22T09:55:00.000-05:002008-02-22T09:55:00.000-05:00Two points:1. Not that it gives the book much more...Two points:<BR/>1. Not that it gives the book much more validity, but it may be worth considering how applicable the book is to older generations. Is it something your grandparents might have found useful, even if you think it's shit?<BR/>2. Regardless, you rule. More reviews, please. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com