I haven't done a TFIFI in a long time, huh? I got requests. I find critiquing Twisty is a little more difficult than going after PUAs and evo-psych weirdos and Cosmo, because:
a) She doesn't post that often, and a lot of her posts are personal-life fluff
b) Her writing style is terse and densely "ironic", so it's hard to pull a lot of good quotes and sometimes hard to pin down when she's being serious
c) I get creepy enemy-of-my-enemy comments and emails about "yeah, those fucking feminists should get back in the kitchen, lol"
But I'm in a vicious mood today, and what entertainment Twisty's posts lack, her commenters provide amply.
Okay, so everyone who reads blogs knows about Boobquake, right? Here's the post that started it, if you aren't up to speed. And here's Twisty's totally pro-woman response. Needless to say the TL;DR is "sluts should cover their nasty tits!" FEMINISM!
McCreight was surprised when about 47.876 million people joined her boob joke on Facebook, largely in the shape of helpful dudes offering to photograph the event.
No, largely in the form of women, only we don't count them because they're disobedient hussies and thus not invited to the Real Women party.
We’ve all said stupid things on the Internet. But when you say stupid things about encouraging women to protest oppression by capitulating to Dude Nation’s fondest desire [...] all I can say is, ewww.
Dude Nation is my peeps, Twisty. Woman-attracted dudes are my friends, my family, my neighbors, my coworkers, and let's not forget my freakin' bread and butter. What's wrong with making them happy? I won't prioritize their happiness over my happiness, much less my dignity or security, but if I'm getting titsy for my own reasons and they happen to enjoy it, that's a win-win situation right there.
(Oh lord. I think I'm writing like her. Ow.)
And that's about it for Twisty. She doesn't like it because men might like it, and Twisty would eat her shoes if she heard men liked it when women don't eat shoes. At any rate she certainly seems to agree with Islamic clerics about the need for modesty--they claim it's about the men too, you know--and the horror of sluts. Whether she's also concerned about earthquakes is not specifically addressed in the post.
As always in these posts, the real fun is the scary-insane fucknuts who comment on Twisty's blog. (Note that because of the popularity of Boobquake, there were more normal humans than usual commenting, but the fucknuts still ran the show.)
OMG you guys, wait! We’re totally as bad as the woman-haters whom we profess to oppose. By not equally bestowing the credentials of “good feminism” on all women and their perfectly valid choices, we are committing an atrocity against womankind. Woe, this feminism is a false idol of puritan sexy-lady-hating!
Well... yeah. Exactly. Well said, fucknut.
I realize I am a humorless feminist, but is it wise to antagonize a part of the world we are perched on the brink of war with? A place where women can be executed for showing their ankles or beheaded for having an affair? I’m wondering how the Muslim world will respond to western women mocking their religion and wagging a few hundred thousand boobs at them? I understand the urge to humiliate this cleric, but diplomacy is a delicate thing.
Holy shit, I think they really are Feminists for Hijab. I thought I was joking. Twisty called the Boobquake "capitulation," but it looks like her commenters could teach her a thing or two about capitulating.
[Normal human], you show a real lack of imagination if you think *this* is a hostile environment. Here’s a scientific experiment for you: start a feminist blog, and then watch as the hostile trolls, threatening emails, and vilification roll in. That would be a step up in hostility. Then maybe you could join a male-dominated profession and see what that’s like. It can get a whole lot worse from there.
Check and check on your scientific experiment. And as you all know I'm widely threatened and vilified. Of course this isn't really a feminist blog because I sometimes forget to hate and exclude male sexuality, and EMS isn't really male-dominated because... uh... maybe they threatened and vilified me and I didn't notice? I can be a little dense.
Sexism is a problem. Men are just people who are sometimes very sexist and sometimes not very. And the world isn't that against you, ya big baby. That's the difference between me and the Twistyfans in a nutshell.
I’ve yet to see some Dude earnestly talking a 40+ year old woman into being okay enough with her body to show her tits.
Then buddy, you haven't been to some of the parties I've been to.
Whether proposed earnestly or as a joke, I’m not a fan of seeing fashions that subjugate and objectify women being promoted as a way to reclaim female power against male oppression.
I'm not a fan of fashions that subjugate and objectify! (Actually I am, but ssh, it's hard enough explaining normal sex to these people.) But we're talking about tank tops here. Tank tops are comfy and practical. If casual clothes with good airflow and freedom of movement are "subjugating," shit, I wish they'd let me subjugate myself at work.
Perhaps Jen McCreight’s defenders should ask themselves what purpose drives a boobquake “experiment”? Is this really an “experiment” that requires additional “data”?
Nope! It's just fun, funny, and freeing! I actually like having my tits out--it's physically comfortable as well as making me feel happy and pretty--so I'll pretty much take any excuse.
How many men do you see wearing low-cut shirts – and short shorts, crop tops, etc. – “because it’s hot outside”? Women’s clothing is designed to allow men maximum sexual objectification opportunity, and women are brainwashed into believing this is something desirable.
Patriarchy--making summer hot since 4.54 billion BC. Fucking patriarchy.
The more naked and semi-naked women DudeNation consumes, the more female nudity they crave and the more stringent their requirements become for whom should be allowed to take off their clothing. There are scientific studies that corroborate this.
Oooh, science. It must be uncomfortable keeping an entire laboratory up your ass.
If you seriously want to put the kibosh on the sexual objectification of boobies, you should consider becoming an anti-porn activist. Put a stop to the rampant objectification of the female body, and then, and only then, will we be able to reclaim our titties as our property and our property only.
Very astute, my titties are my property! To use as I see fit!
“I don’t give a shit about what reaction my boobs and their level of visibility will have on men.”
Spoken like somebody who has never been a victim of rape or of childhood sexual abuse, someone who has never hid as a 12 yr girl under a triple large sweatshirt trying desperately to hide her “promiscuity,” least she become prey for male consumption.
I sort of feel for this commenter, but that way she was feeling, under the triple large sweatshirt? Was BAD. It was a harmful effect of harmful experiences, and should probably not become the new fashion standard.
I forgot to add that in skeptical groups there is some weird obsession with proving how superior *our* sexist attitude towards women is compared to *their* (muslim) sexist attitude towards women. Liberal dudes are the majority of the people upholding the boobquake as a good idea; you know, dudes who are for abortion so that they have more access to pussy without the consequence of children.
BURQAS AND ABORTION BANS FOR FEMINISM! GIRL POWER!
Saying we give feminism a bad name is silencing us
No, a DOS attack on 220.127.116.11 is silencing you. This is more like letting you speak and also I speak. If you need a totally silent room to not be "silenced," well, either you don't talk much or you carry a lot of duct tape with you.
Perhaps there are some women who are … attached to the mammary tissue and fat deposits strapped to their chests (whoops, the ellipses means “almost typed ‘delusional with patriarchy-sickness’”).
But for many of us, breasts are just breasts. After all, they don’t really serve a purpose other than for suckling children.
And for happy times! And for being part of my body and my womanhood! Apparently real feminists hate breasts. Presumably also vaginas. And double X chromosomes. I mean, wow, talk about giving men what they want. I suppose you've been fooled into thinking you like those chromosomes, you stupid chromosome whore?
one could cease and desist the wearing of bras (beneath tee-shirts, even) and it would in an existential sense be a radical act because for most women, said breasts do not conform to patriarchal ideas, thus pornsick dudes everywhere would recoil in disgust.
Written like someone who doesn't climb a lot of stairs.
Agreed. This blamer recently wrote an essay that posits most if not all male “desire” for “females” is not actually desire for sex but desire for ownership
Huh. Now I hate evo-psych as much as anyone, seriously, but there might be something to the whole "perpetuate the species" dealie there. (Also, how come when I get owned, it feels so right?) (...Wow, you can take that at least three ways and they're all true.)
yea, how do we deal with the psychological effects of atleast 1/2 the population hating you. It’s almost like you have to become a hermit and misanthropist. It’s like watching people eat a banquet you’re not invited to 24/7. Atleast in the west we aren’t slaves, for the most part can choose between poverty and servitude, which often means more psychological abuse and spiritual death than poverty, and sometimes it’s both at once.
Oh grow the fuck up. I'm sorry Dad made you mow the lawn.